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Infrasound / Ghost - Sightings

INRM

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I remember hearing a bunch of cases in which people when exposed to certain infrasonic frequencies ended up feeling sensatsions of abject terror, odd visual disturbances and such. I classify this as science related as this doesn't really belong in the religion forum.

Either way... did these people who were proven to be victims of infrasonic exposure who experienced these odd sensations also feel a perception of extreme cold?

Just curious,
INRM
 
Can't help you. I've heard that very low frequency sound can make you feel ill but that's all. Did a goog search and turned up nothing.
 
This may be helpful.
A review of published Research on Low Frequency Noise and its Effects (2003, PDF)

Nothing about chills, but with the other physiological effects that can result from low frequency/infrasound exposure, such as vomiting, I wouldn't be surprised if chllls were possible.

If it's unscientific connect-the-dots with infrasound, chills, and ghosts you're after, this anecdote may be of interest.

Acute CO2 toxicity can cause these symptoms:
Exposure to 10% or greater concentrations can cause nausea, vomiting, chills, visual and auditory hallucinations, burning of the eyes, extreme dyspnea, and loss of consciousness. Source, which also has a section on physiological effects of noise.
What would be most helpful is if you could locate those "proven" cases.
 
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Another anecdote, possibly related. About 15 years ago I worked at a large nuclear installation. The office in which I worked was quite large and situated two floors above a welding workshop.

One Sunday I turned up to do overtime. I was the only person in the office. I had about 6 hours work to do, but after a couple of hours I began to feel distinctly uncomfortable. It's worthwhile saying that I don't get spooked easily (i.e. pretty much never) and it was early afternoon on a bright day. The office itself was spacious and airy and had a great view over the surrounding countryside.

After half an hour or so the feeling of vague oppression had turned to one of fear. I was having grave problems concentrating. Another five minutes and I simply had to get out of there. There was no doubt in my mind that if I stayed, I would die. The feeling was that strong. I wasn't outwardly panicking, but I had to make a concerted effort not to just bolt for the door.

I gathered my stuff and rose from my chair. At that point, the computer terminal on the desk opposite set on fire (there were no PCs in the office at that time, only these text-based VT320 dumb terminals consisting of a keyboard and b/w monitor). This didn't help my frame of mine and to be honest I was so intent on getting out of there that I almost left anyway and let the place burn down rather than spend a second longer in that room. I actually ended up hurriedly unplugging the monitor and taking it out with me - smoking and sputtering flames - and leaving it on the grass outside.

Now I have no idea what caused these bizarre events. I worked in that office for five years and had no other experiences. All I can think of is that perhaps something was going on in the workshop that created an effect equivalent to the those attributed to ultrasound, as heard about in other anecdotal tales. Certainly I didn't see any ghostly apparitions or physically impossible object movements.

One final thing (added solely for woo-ish humour value); The last thing I did before I stood up to leave was submit a batch job to run later that day. We used VMS back then and every batch job was given a unique number between 1 and 999. So yes, you guessed what number mine got - 666 :) It was two seconds after I noticed this that the monitor set on fire.

It just shows, however, that combining coincidences with the unexplained can easily lead to woo-ish conclusions. I have no idea what prompted this episode but I'd be very surprised if it didn't have a rational explanation, perhaps something to do with activities in the workshop two floors below, which certainly contained large extractor fans and other pieces of heavy machinery.
 
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I'm just wondering because there are a bunch of cases which involve ghost-sitings and in the process people felt an abnormal feeling of chilling.

Now, I'm not really a believer in Ghosts, so I figure the explanation has to be a rational scientific one. Plus at least one of these cases could otherwise be an infrasound case...

A guy who's now in his mid-sixties, was a teenager in the late fifties. His girlfriend was in another room and he said the room got icecold, and he said he saw a cloud like human-shape moving down the stairs. Had no defining characteristics and he was scared out of his mind. He said it lasily and slowly turned towards the washroom and at that point he chased after it, rounded the corner and it was gone. Also he didn't feel cold anymore.

Being that he was an agnostic even then, he looked for scientific explanations, perhaps a fireplace in the house was on--- smoke, clouds can take on all sorts of shapes (I can attest to this, on a plane once I saw a cloud that looked like Yoda from starwars-- obviously it was just a random chance-- but it was still enough to make a joke about to the person sitting next to me)... he checked all the fire places, all were out.

I forgot some of the details and I'll ask him the next chance I get (He's alive)... but from what I remember him telling me then and some stuff I read on infrasound it sounds almost an open and shut case other than the chills.

INRM
 
Baron said:
About 15 years ago I worked at a large nuclear installation.

Homer?


Baron said:
I gathered my stuff and rose from my chair. At that point, the computer terminal on the desk opposite set on fire..... The last thing I did before I stood up to leave was submit a batch job to run later that day.... you guessed what number mine got - 666 It was two seconds after I noticed this that the monitor set on fire.

Only Homer could grab his stuff that fast.

Baron said:
I actually ended up hurriedly unplugging the monitor and taking it out with me - smoking and sputtering flames - and leaving it on the grass outside.

D'oh!
 
I remember hearing a bunch of cases in which people when exposed to certain infrasonic frequencies ended up feeling sensatsions of abject terror, odd visual disturbances and such. I classify this as science related as this doesn't really belong in the religion forum.

Either way... did these people who were proven to be victims of infrasonic exposure who experienced these odd sensations also feel a perception of extreme cold?

Just curious,
INRM

I've never heard of a connection between infrasound and cold.

Be mindful that infrasound is not the only explanation that can be applied to experiences: chills could be caused by air circulation phenomena.

An example I had awhile ago was a region where people continually reported 'brief periods of very cold air'. I eventually identified a hidden air conditioner five feet to the left that turned on and off with a thermostat. Their response "Yeah, sure, but that can't be it: it was a ghostly chill, and an air conditioner can't make that." (eyes rolling)

I use a candle with an adjustible height to detect drafts.


Question about your login name: INRM... is this related to "INRI"?
 
Air Circulation Phenomena?

Additionally can infrasound cause air circulation phenomena out of curiousity? Or can something cause both infrasound AND air circulation phenomena?


Tony L
 
Air Circulation Phenomena?

Additionally can infrasound cause air circulation phenomena out of curiousity? Or can something cause both infrasound AND air circulation phenomena?


Tony L

By "air circulation phenomena" I meant air conditioners, air recyclers, central heating, kitchen/bathroom ventilators, dehumidistats... the example I gave was an air conditioner that was hard to see.
 
I can give you some of my own personal experience, but it is obviously anicdotal...

I had heard of this effect and I have my computer plugged into my stereo/surround system which has two 100 watt rms tower speakers and a 200 watt powered 14 inch subwoofer. I used a program to generate functions with the sound card and created some very loud low-frequency sounds.

The sub is rated for 50hz-300hz or something like that, but it will do quite a bit lower (just not optimally). Certain very low frequencies are not really audable, but you can totally hear the harmonics and the reverberations of items in the room.

I found interesting results at some certain frequencies. Even at some that did not create much reverb I felt uncomfortable and kinda bothered... almost a little sick after a few minutes.

What is very interesting is that at some frequencies the monitor (I had a CRT at the time) seemed to be flickering like crazy. It wasn't the monitor but my eyes. If you ever see a TV camera pointed at a CRT then you notice it doiesn't always sync right and the monitor looks very "flickery" I got a similar effect. It started to really hurt my eyes. Also, I found that it was difficult to focus on objects...

But again... that's anicdotal.

All I can say is that when the volume was cranked it definatelly had some unpleasent effects
 
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One of the Three Investigators novels that I read as a kid used this as a plot device. An old silent film star was trying to make his Hollywood mansion seem haunted (I don't remember why) and our Resourceful Eponymous Heroes figured out that among other things (cheesecloth on wires, etc) the guy was using a low pipe on an organ to emit infrasound thoughout the house, thus generating heebie-jeebies. At the time (5th-6th grade, late 1970's) I thought it seemed unlikely, but it looks like I was wrong...
 
The person whom I talked to in question was a teenager back then and it was in the mid to late fifties. Central-Air systems weren't exactly in every house.

The rest of the infrasound does seem to fit the story though...
 

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