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Illegal Immigrants: An Idea

clarsct

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Illegal immigration has been in the news lately, and the topic of some debate here.

This is just a thumbnailed idea, really. I figured that if it was truly flawed, then some folks around here could probably suss it out pretty quickly.

How about this:
We allow people in Mexico(Or anywhere else, for that matter!!) who wish to be US Citizens join the military?

I am not recommending this be the only way, but an alternative way for those who are on the wait lists. An offer, to be taken up voluntarily.

I am seeing a specialized boot camp that teaches English as well as the US Constitution along with the regular curriculum. After that, the ones that pass are then put into regular platoons with the other soldiers, as US Citizens.

Basically, it would be Boot Camp+Citizenship Test.

The soldiers trained this way would be sorted into regular units, and be allowed all the opportunities any other soldier is afforded. This way they have a way to attain marketable job skills in society.

Is this 'shifting the burden'?
Well, maybe a bit. I look at it this way, the US Taxpayers are already footing a bill for Illegal Immigration. The US Military is already offering signing bonuses for people to join up, so they must have a demand for manpower.

We're simply filling a gap in a way that is more beneficial to US society.

We're not creating any special units. These people will be volunteer soldiers like any other. Any other education these people desire will be in their own hands to obtain.
(GED, college..et cetera, though the GI Bill might apply, as well...)

So. Good or bad? Any thoughts?
 
Hmmmmmmmmmm.


If it is, then I haven't heard of it, though I would applaud it.

If it isn't then I think it ought to be.:D
 
Indeed! A very practical approach to this situation. Good thought.

.....could you run for office, please? :D
 
Erm.

Hmmmmm.

Too many people have those pictures....

Anyway, I was thinking about pitching it to a Congressman and see what he thinks. I'm not really sure what to do with it, but I was hoping some folks could poke holes in it to make it as strong as possible.

If I were in Texas, I might be able to run on this platform alone, I suppose.;)
 
clarsct said:
Illegal immigration has been in the news lately, and the topic of some debate here.

This is just a thumbnailed idea, really. I figured that if it was truly flawed, then some folks around here could probably suss it out pretty quickly.

How about this:
We allow people in Mexico(Or anywhere else, for that matter!!) who wish to be US Citizens join the military?

I am not recommending this be the only way, but an alternative way for those who are on the wait lists. An offer, to be taken up voluntarily.

I am seeing a specialized boot camp that teaches English as well as the US Constitution along with the regular curriculum. After that, the ones that pass are then put into regular platoons with the other soldiers, as US Citizens.

Basically, it would be Boot Camp+Citizenship Test.

The soldiers trained this way would be sorted into regular units, and be allowed all the opportunities any other soldier is afforded. This way they have a way to attain marketable job skills in society.

Is this 'shifting the burden'?
Well, maybe a bit. I look at it this way, the US Taxpayers are already footing a bill for Illegal Immigration. The US Military is already offering signing bonuses for people to join up, so they must have a demand for manpower.

We're simply filling a gap in a way that is more beneficial to US society.

We're not creating any special units. These people will be volunteer soldiers like any other. Any other education these people desire will be in their own hands to obtain.
(GED, college..et cetera, though the GI Bill might apply, as well...)

So. Good or bad? Any thoughts?
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Yes. I already thought of your idea myself, without hearing it from anyone else. I too thought it be the perfect solution. Since our military numbers are down, and the government uses propaganda on us by telling us that the force is small but highly technical and effficient...that in this manor, by building our forces with illegal aliens, we would strengthen our numbers and possibly avoid some future draft (which to me is like communism...MAKING people serve). Also, by having a bigger military, we would lessen the need for us to have to use nuclear weapons if we were ever backed into a corner where the number of our troops were not enough to get the job done.
 
Watch out, the French stole your idea and sent it back in time:

Wiki

Wiki said:
After serving in the Legion for three years (out of a five-year initial enlistment), the legionnaire is allowed to apply for French citizenship.
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And children, women with small children, the middle-aged and elderly, and the disabled do what?

Doesn't sound like a bad plan for healthy, unattached men and women 18 to 35. What about the rest?
 
slingblade said:
And children, women with small children, the middle-aged and elderly, and the disabled do what?

Doesn't sound like a bad plan for healthy, unattached men and women 18 to 35. What about the rest?
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They could stay in Mexico and stare longingly through the fence.
 
I've heard this idea tossed around on occassion (nothing official of course). I think its a fair. The applicant would have to pass the basic requirements for entry into the military (i.e. no reduced standards on physical or mental requirements, English literacy, or waivers of criminal conduct). At the end of service, the applicant gets lawful permanent residency (instead of at the beginning, so to prevent awols). Maybe even accelarated citizenship after gaining LPR.

The current immigration laws already allow for military service to provide some benefits (for naturalization, cancellation of removal, etc.).

slingblade said:
Doesn't sound like a bad plan for healthy, unattached men and women 18 to 35. What about the rest?
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Most immigration programs have allowed for immediate family members of the principle to derive the benefit as well. For someone who qualified for SAW, amnesty, and 245i, their children and spouses were able to benefit as well.
 
Cheesejoff said:
Could Iranian Muslims apply to join the US military?
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Exactly.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to allow non-citizens a position that would grant them any kind of security clearance. I'm not actually sure if citizenship is currently a requirement, but isn't there an issue of security here?
 
schplurg said:
I'm not actually sure if citizenship is currently a requirement, but isn't there an issue of security here?
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A person must be citizen or lawful permanent resident (green card holder). And security is the exact sticking point on this issue. Even the most thorough background checks don't catch everything (look at the number of ICE and CBP agents who have been busted for corruption) and take a long time. I have secret clearance (I work for homeland security). I've never been outside the U.S., never used illicit drugs, and have no criminal record. My checks took five months. Considering that the 9-11 highjackers exploited known weaknesses in our immigration system, a program that allows non USC/LPRs access to the military is problematic. Whenever I've spoken with associates about this possible program and the possible benefits (increased military, reducing the illegal immigrant problem, getting the taxes on the work they do, etc.), we can never resolve the security side of it.:confused:
 
Just pile them all on trains and dump them across the border they are closest to, Canada or Mexico. Execute those who resist.

Problem solved
 
The answer is that we begin conscripting illegal immigrants into our Army by requiring 2 years of military service as punishment. That is a win-win situation. It will either swell the ranks of our military, or curtail illegal immigration.
 
Security.....hmmmmmmmmm.


That's a pretty big flaw. I'll have to ponder that.

BTW: I realize it sounds a bit like the French Foreign Legion, who in turn stole the idea from the Romans. ;) But I'm trying to throw something positive up instead of just whining or building a 700 mile fence along a 2100 mile border.(Does this make a damned bit of sense to anyone?)

Backround checks on foreign nationals is damned near impossible. How difficult would it be for a sleeper agent to maintain his ideals in a boot camp type of situation? How easy would it be for him to pass on information as a grunt on a military base? (It takes time to get rank and education, after all.) Especially with mixing them in to the regular platoons.

Hmmmmmmmm.
 
This scheme was used in 1991 (Kwait). I saw advertisement here in MX to do a Tour de Force and then earn citizenship.

I don't think its a bad idea, but if I were a nuts bombman, I would slowly penetrate the Army with suicide members who would blow the unit in campaign mid action.

You have to think like them.
 
Chupacabras said:
I don't think its a bad idea, but if I were a nuts bombman, I would slowly penetrate the Army with suicide members who would blow the unit in campaign mid action.
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Like that nice black Muslim sergeant in the 101st did in 2003, during the war? He used grenades, not a suicide belt, so the Army got to court martial him.

DR
 
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