I report, you decide: FOX on Santorum

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So, most new sources I've read on the Santorum story today have not only quoted the Senator's response to the broohaha, but also some more of the original quote which seems (to me) give the lie to that response.

To summarize, Santorum says his remark

All news sources quote this part of the original interview (AP, April 7)
"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery," Santorum was quoted. "You have the right to anything."
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and Santorum's response after the controversy broke:
"What I was saying was that if you say there is an absolute right to privacy for consenting adults within the home to do whatever they want," Santorum continued, "[then] this has far-reaching ramifications, which has a very serious impact on the American family, and that is what I was talking about."
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In essense he's saying that if the Supreme Court doesn't allow states to regulate this sexual behavior, then states won't be able to regulate other sexual behavior.

But I also see this reported from his original interview:
from CNN.com

In the April 7 interview, Santorum describes homosexual acts as a threat to society and the family. "I have no problem with homosexuality," Santorum said, according to the AP. "I have a problem with homosexual acts."
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Which sounds like he cares about a lot more than that the Supreme Court may open the door to legalizing incest, et al.

Why would Foxnews.com leave that bit out?
 
Fox has absolutely no shame. The very night boy wonder Geraldo was being booted out of Iraq for actually revealing battle plans, O'Reilly was discussing whether it might be possible to pursue treason charges against Peter Arnett, who merely voiced an unpopular opinion.

Absolutely indefensible.
 
What is with all of the attacks on Fox News its one of the few news networks that isn’t liberal bias.
Is the left so used to there dominate news coverage that just having one news show that doesn’t tilt to the left such a big threat?


Santorum, the No. 3 GOP leader in the Senate, was referring to an majority opinion written in 1986 by Justice Byron White which upheld a state law outlawing sodomy and asserted that consenting adults had no constitutional right to private homosexual acts.

The controversy erupted Monday after the Associated Press released the text of an interview in which the two-term senator compared homosexuality to adultery, polygamy and incest.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84827,00.html

I don’t see what they where leaving out?
 
Baker said:

Is the left so used to there dominate news coverage that just having one news show that doesn’t tilt to the left such a big threat?
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Nonsense. The liberal analogue of Fox News does not exist, period.

Here's an example, from today. There was some story about France and the graphic was "FRENCH WHINE". WTF? What sort of reporting is that?

Fox draws no line between opinion and reporting. Nothing remotely similar happens on any other network.
 
Baker:
What is with all of the attacks on Fox News its one of the few news networks that isn’t liberal bias.
Is the left so used to there dominate news coverage that just having one news show that doesn’t tilt to the left such a big threat?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84827,00.html

I don’t see what they where leaving out?
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Of the 3 quotes in my original post, the 3rd one is left out by Foxnews.com. I think it's relevant, because it is specifically not defended in Santorum's response, and gives the lie to his assertion of what he meant.

This attack on Fox is about how I think they slanted this story to their liking by making an omission of a very important detail, which other news sources included. Your reponse is a pitiful whine about liberal bias and the left.

Do you suffer from comprehension deficit or are you practicing Fox-style spin?
 
hgc said:
So, most new sources I've read on the Santorum story today have not only quoted the Senator's response to the broohaha, but also some more of the original quote which seems (to me) give the lie to that response.

Why would Foxnews.com leave that bit out?
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Hi jgc,

It seems a fair question I think. However when I list instances of what I think are proof of bias on the part of the networks I usually get an argument about how such instances are anecdotal.

Is this example merely anecdotal or do you think that it proves that Fox is biased? In a way that the the network news chanels aren't?

Thanks
 
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RandFan:
Hi jgc,

It seems a fair question I think. However when I list instances of what I think are proof of bias on the part of the networks I usually get an argument about how such instances are anecdotal.

Is this example merely anecdotal or do you think that it proves that Fox is biased? In a way that the the network news chanels aren't?

Thanks
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It's just an anecdote, obviously. I also think that it's their policy, and it's practiced pervasively. I don't have evidence for that. It's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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RandFan said:
Hi jgc,


Is this example merely anecdotal or do you think that it proves that Fox is biased? In a way that the the network news chanels aren't?

Thanks
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Hi RandFan!

Fox demonstrably has a preferred point of view on virtually any story they cover. They don't even try to hide it. See my "French Whine" comment above. What other network is so open about its biases while denying vociferously that it has any?
 
hgc said:

Of the 3 quotes in my original post, the 3rd one is left out by Foxnews.com. I think it's relevant, because it is specifically not defended in Santorum's response, and gives the lie to his assertion of what he meant.
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It shows the same story as The CNN link where you expecting them to copy the same story word by word.

This attack on Fox is about how I think they slanted this story to their liking by making an omission of a very important detail, which other news sources included. Your reponse is a pitiful whine about liberal bias and the left.
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Missing one quote doesn’t mean they are attempting to slant the story.
Despite the fact that it happens a lot on most of the other networks.


Do you suffer from comprehension deficit or are you practicing Fox-style spin?
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Adding an ad hominem replied isn’t going to improve your argument.
 
Sundog said:
Nonsense. The liberal analogue of Fox News does not exist, period.
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Really?

www.ratherbiased.comRather Biased[/URL]

Here's an example, from today. There was some story about France and the graphic was "FRENCH WHINE". WTF? What sort of reporting is that?
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Do you honestly believe that the big 3 have never done anything as stupid?

Fox draws no line between opinion and reporting. Nothing remotely similar happens on any other network.
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Are you so sure?
 
RandFan said:


Do you honestly believe that the big 3 have never done anything as stupid?

Are you so sure?
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I don't believe that they do so on a daily basis, no.

Yes, I am sure.

REAL journalists have something called journalistic integrity. REAL news editors consider it a point of professional pride not to blatantly insert their biases into their reporting. I can't help how the right thinks news works; that's the way it REALLY works at places other than Fox.

I could tolerate Fox if it could draw a line between its obvious agenda and its reporting. But it doesn't, therefore it's not even a reasonable facsimile of journalism; it's propaganda, by definition.
 
Baker:

Missing one quote doesn’t mean they are attempting to slant the story.
Despite the fact that it happens a lot on most of the other networks.
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Let's see: Politician says regrettable things. The ◊◊◊◊ hits the fan. Politician makes explaination, attempting to soften impact of his mistake. Most news organizations go to original set of quotes, and indeed find that politician was actually dishonest in his response as to what he really meant.

That's not just any little quote Fox chose to leave out. That's the crux of the story here.
 
Sundog said:


I don't believe that they do so on a daily basis, no.

Yes, I am sure.

REAL journalists have something called journalistic integrity. REAL news editors consider it a point of professional pride not to blatantly insert their biases into their reporting. I can't help how the right thinks news works; that's the way it REALLY works at places other than Fox.

I could tolerate Fox if it could draw a line between its obvious agenda and its reporting. But it doesn't, therefore it's not even a reasonable facsimile of journalism; it's propaganda, by definition.
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Well I disagree very much. I find the level of bias on the part of the big 3 to be quite disapointing. I find examples of the kind of stuff you mention all of the time. Check out rather biased. It certainly documents a lot of instances of bias. I've got a lot more if you have an open mind.

Of course if you "know" the truth then no amount of evidence will change your mind.
 
RandFan said:
Well I disagree very much. I find the level of bias on the part of the big 3 to be quite disapointing.
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My contention would be that any bias on the part of the "big three" is arguable at best. Only FOX just comes right out and says it:" We are biased, folks. Deal with it."

To say that Fox simply does on the right what others do on the left is completely absurd. Who is this leftist network that can't report a story without gouging the right? It doesn't exist, it's in your imagination.
 
Sundog said:
REAL journalists have something called journalistic integrity. REAL news editors consider it a point of professional pride not to blatantly insert their biases into their reporting. I can't help how the right thinks news works; that's the way it REALLY works at places other than Fox.
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Do you have any objective evidence that Fox is biased?
 
Sundog said:


My contention would be that any bias on the part of the "big three" is arguable at best. Only FOX just comes right out and says it:" We are biased, folks. Deal with it."
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Actually their moto is "fair and banced" "we report you decide".

Do you have a reference where they have said "we are biased, folks. Deal with it"?
 
RandFan said:
Do you have any objective evidence that Fox is biased?
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Yes. To take the example immediately at hand, see my earlier report of the "French Whine" story. If you can come up with anything REMOTELY similar on the left, I'll concede the point.
 
hgc said:

Let's see: Politician says regrettable things. The ◊◊◊◊ hits the fan. Politician makes explaination, attempting to soften impact of his mistake. Most news organizations go to original set of quotes, and indeed find that politician was actually dishonest in his response as to what he really meant.

That's not just any little quote Fox chose to leave out. That's the crux of the story here.
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They left out a quote from an older interview.
They where doing an article on a resent remark he made.
It just seems ludicrous based on the slant most other major networks do.
Since you are comparing it to CNN lets just see how much they can slant a news story.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020705-793139.htm
 
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