Hypothetical question for "NWO" believers...

[1337m4n]

Let us suppose for the sake of argument that there is a secret evil invisible group of men in black who control the entire world without anyone noticing.

Seeing as how you conspiracy theorists know more about them than anyone else, and furthermore are absolutely 100% convinced that they are EVIL EVIL EVIL, I would like to see you answer this hypothetical question.

I use mad hacking skills to locate the NWO headquarters. I eat a can of spinach causing me to grow massive biceps. I charge in and kill every single member of the NWO.

Don't try to nitpick by saying something like "that would never happen!" or "the NWO is everywhere u cant kill them all lol". Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that I am THAT DANG GOOD and manage to hunt down and kill every single member of the NWO. Like, James Bond-good. Vin Diesel-good. Chuck Norris-good.

Now here is the hypothetical question: How, specifically, is the world going to change? How will things start to be different from before?

 

[enrique]

Interesting question. I wander why no one has an answer

 

[theprestige]

Personally, I prefer the scenario where Mind-Reading Space Aliens study the Earth from behind their cloaking fields, identify all the NWO members, dustify them with invisible space beams, and then return to their faraway galaxy.

But yeah, what would change?

 

[enrique]

I thought the Space Aliens were in on it

 

[Alex Libman]

"New World Order" is a subjective term, it means different things to different people. My vision for the future of mankind could be called a "good" NWO. What I fear may come to pass, a high-tech "prison planet" where everyone is 100% brainwashed by the state, can be referred to as the "evil" NWO. I guess what you're imagining is close to the latter.

Let us suppose for the sake of argument that there is a secret evil invisible group of men in black who control the entire world without anyone noticing.

You've never noticed that governments exist??

I eat a can of spinach causing me to grow massive biceps. I charge in and kill every single member of the NWO.

Governments employ tens of millions of people in this country alone! Killing that many people would surely disrupt the spinach supply before you're finished, and there are better ways to overthrow governments - peaceful resistance through noncooperation.

Now here is the hypothetical question: How, specifically, is the world going to change? How will things start to be different from before?

What you're proposing would have negative consequences, as violence always does. I've discussed my vision for gradual transition toward an Anarcho-Capitalist society in other threads.

 

[1337m4n]

I don't think this question was meant for you, Alex.

This question was meant for people, who believe that the NWO is some super-secret cabal of "elites" (often CTists think they are part of a secret society like the Illuminati or the Freemasons) that is super-secretly controlling EVERYTHING. Surely you must have encountered the kind of conspiracy theorist I am describing. The debunkers here certainly know what I mean. Of course I've noticed that governments exist; just how dumb do you think I am? But a "government" in the traditional sense is not what I'm referring to.

You're an anarchist; you think all governments are bad, fine. But these governments don't make their existence a secret. What I mean by "NWO" is a super-powerful world government that apparantly IS making its existence a secret.

I can provide examples and quotes from the particular CTists who believe this if you are still unsure as to what I mean.

 

[Tippit]

Let us suppose for the sake of argument that there is a secret evil invisible group of men in black who control the entire world without anyone noticing.

Seeing as how you conspiracy theorists know more about them than anyone else, and furthermore are absolutely 100% convinced that they are EVIL EVIL EVIL, I would like to see you answer this hypothetical question.

I use mad hacking skills to locate the NWO headquarters. I eat a can of spinach causing me to grow massive biceps. I charge in and kill every single member of the NWO.

Don't try to nitpick by saying something like "that would never happen!" or "the NWO is everywhere u cant kill them all lol". Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that I am THAT DANG GOOD and manage to hunt down and kill every single member of the NWO. Like, James Bond-good. Vin Diesel-good. Chuck Norris-good.

Now here is the hypothetical question: How, specifically, is the world going to change? How will things start to be different from before?

First you would have to understand and define how the NWO operates, which you don't, and can't. Second, assuming that the conspirators are brought to account, nothing will change unless the institutions they created are systematically dismantled, and the public is educated as to what true power really is.

Here's a hint, it has to do with the ability to create money, and it doesn't have much to do with political elections. So the answer to your question is education of the general public. Education about the fraudulent fiat-money fractional reserve banking systems that create the wealth consolidation (the ever-growing gap between the super-rich elite few, and the teeming poor), education about the failure of plurality voting, corporatism, and big government.

 

[Jontg]

Translation: "the NWO is everywhere u cant kill them all lol"

 

[1337m4n]

Here's a hint, it has to do with the ability to create money, and it doesn't have much to do with political elections. So the answer to your question is education of the general public. Education about the fraudulent fiat-money fractional reserve banking systems that create the wealth consolidation (the ever-growing gap between the super-rich elite few, and the teeming poor), education about the failure of plurality voting, corporatism, and big government.

Ah right, because NOBODY has ever heard of any of these opinions.

Oh wait! Everyone at my alma mater who took AP Macroeconomics and AP Government knows these opinions! A large number of them even agree with them. We have a word for them; I believe it is "libertarian".

Sorry, bub, people are ALREADY getting educated about these things. In (supposedly) NWO-controlled *public schools*, no less.

Try again.

 

[Jontg]

And, for that matter, in the (supposedly) NWO-controlled mainstream media.

 

[Alex Libman]

I don't think this question was meant for you, Alex.

So you want to ignore reality and get a cheap sense of superiority by making fun of the biggest kooks you can find. Got it.

 

[Jontg]

Love the Freudian slip with the emoticon.

 

[Hans]

A similar question was asked some years ago on a board far far away and the opinions wer that:

Wars would stop
Justice would prevail
Differences would be overcome (one guy said that everyone would agree to drive on the same side of road) and others said that a common language and the metric system would come about
Differing opinions on economics, which systems would come to the front
A split over whether there would be political union or devolution of governments
There would be agreement on one religion
etc, etc, etc

 

[EGarrett]

First you would have to understand and define how the NWO operates, which you don't, and can't. Second, assuming that the conspirators are brought to account, nothing will change unless the institutions they created are systematically dismantled, and the public is educated as to what true power really is.

Here's a hint, it has to do with the ability to create money, and it doesn't have much to do with political elections. So the answer to your question is education of the general public. Education about the fraudulent fiat-money fractional reserve banking systems that create the wealth consolidation (the ever-growing gap between the super-rich elite few, and the teeming poor), education about the failure of plurality voting, corporatism, and big government.

He didn't ask you HOW you would remove the NWO, he asked you what would happen once you did.

Answer the question.

 

[Jontg]

A similar question was asked some years ago on a board far far away and the opinions wer that:

Wars would stop
Justice would prevail
Differences would be overcome (one guy said that everyone would agree to drive on the same side of road) and others said that a common language and the metric system would come about
Differing opinions on economics, which systems would come to the front
A split over whether there would be political union or devolution of governments
There would be agreement on one religion
etc, etc, etc

So, basically, utopia--defined, of course as "Everyone in the world agreeing with MEEEEE!!!11!!1"

 

[bwinwright]

Perhaps more people would begin to employ the Golden Rule which says, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", instead of the Golden Rule currently being employed by the ruling elite which says, "He who has the Gold, makes the rules." Just a thought.

You might want to begin your James Bond-like Crusade by starting with the Black Pope, his 7 assistants, and his 91 provincials. Then, go after the white Pope and the cardinals. That would, according to Eric Jon Phelps, eliminate the central core of the most evil criminal syndicate on Earth. That's only a couple of hundred folks. A super hero like you could probably accomplish this before lunch.

 

[Elizabeth I]

I see no NWO believer has yet been willing to answer the question in the OP.

Just a reminder - it was: without the NWO, what changes could we expect to see in the world?

To make it easier for you, what is happening now that would stop?

What is not happening now that would start?

 

[zaphod2016]

I use mad hacking skills to locate the NWO headquarters. I eat a can of spinach causing me to grow massive biceps. I charge in and kill every single member of the NWO.

With your permission, I would like to use this as my sig. For some reason, the image of Luigi going all Chuck-Norris is simply incredible. I say you should go for it- FOR GREAT JUSTICE.

I see a critical flaw in your question's premise, as well as the entire NWO theory. Allow me to play devil's advocate. The theory goes:

This cabal of bankers, politicians and owls has been running the world for a long time. How long? Some believe "they" took over during Woodrow Wilson (Fed Reserve Act/Income Tax), others say the founding fathers, and therefore all of American history, is a Masonic plot. Yet others trace the "NWO bloodlines" back thousands of years, to the ancient Egyptians, or even a fabled Atlantis civilization.

(read: there is much debate even within the anti-NWO crowd; it is not a homogeneous ideology by any stretch of the imagination)

In any event, here is the paradox: the NWO runs the world, and yet, intend on introducing radical changes. Why? Are they not satisfied with their own designs on the world?

Short version: if "they" already run the world, why would they want to change anything? It makes as much sense as George Washington leading a revolution against his own colonies, having already become their President.

For example, the Federal Reserve existed 80 years before I existed. Four generations were born in that time, and by the time I got here, there was no debate to be had. The Fed had been here as long as anyone could remember.

Assuming the Fed is part of a NWO conspiracy, they've now had nearly 100 years to introduce their schemes and plots. Cashless society? Who among us does not have a debit card? Perpetual debt? I owe a mortgage, student loans, credit cards- and I am hardly unusual in modern America. Fiat currency? I was born after Nixon, after the gold standard. Fiat currency is the only American currency I've ever known.

Back to topic- what changes do I expect to see? None. They've currently got a system whereby "they" can create as much currency as they wish, control interest rates, and tax citizen labor in order to repay national debt (not to mention control the obscene amounts of private debt owed by the same citizens).

Simply stated; it's the greatest scam I've ever come across. I don't think it gets any better than that. My inner scam-artist thinks: Why mess with perfection? If you've already won the game, why bother to change the rules?

And before the flame brigade arrives, please let me clarify that I am a lowercase "l" libertarian, and I think that the opponents of our current financial system make some perfectly legitimate arguments. I favor significant reforms. That said, this has nothing to do with Molech the owl, bases on the moon, controlled demolition, or any of the other b***$#** that gets attached to these issues.

Here are some examples of said b***$#**:

You Will Know the NWO is Real When...

* "they" put microchips in you

-> my rebuttal- why bother? Cell phones have much better ranges than RFID, and everyone already carries those around willingly

* "they" outlaw cash

-> my rebuttal- why bother? Everyone I know willingly uses debit cards and carry very little cash these days anyway.

* "they" will begin a massive eugenics campaign against humanity

-> my rebuttal- read the news. There is nothing secret about the trans-humanist movement, or its goals. We are currently living in the genetic age, and the science has only just begun to show us what is possible. This isn't something that will happen, this is something that is happening right now. And as far as which directions it will take- if the scientists themselves aren't yet sure, what, exactly, are their shadowy overlords basing their strategies on?

In other words, let us assume that the shadowy overlords are planning on exterminating all people with IQs under 100, and will rely on a genetic test to find them. If no such test is scientifically possible, the strategy is doomed, world government or not.

 

[Confuseling]

zaphod:

Good post. Forgetting one thing though. It takes time to effect your diabolical plan when you can only communicate through poorly coded symbolism in full public view.

Evil NWO leader: "Mwahahaha! The death camps are nearly ready! Soon it will be time to kill three quarters of Earth's population! Send the appointed signal!"

Lackey: "Can't we just... well, phone them? I mean we control the telecommunications industry, so it's not like it's international rates...."

Evil NWO leader: "No! We must build some offices that look like an owl's head. From space. If you squint. Otherwise teenage boys wouldn't have a sporting chance of thwarting us!"

Supplemental question regarding the OP: What measures would you put in place to prevent the NWO reappearing? I mean they evolved for a reason, yes? So presumably the same conditions still exist. I suppose we'd have to rescind political and religious freedom - sort of like banning elections in case someone votes in an enemy of democracy.

 

[Tippit]

In any event, here is the paradox: the NWO runs the world, and yet, intend on introducing radical changes. Why? Are they not satisfied with their own designs on the world?

Short version: if "they" already run the world, why would they want to change anything? It makes as much sense as George Washington leading a revolution against his own colonies, having already become their President.

Because they don't have absolute power, and because the power they do have is temporal. Much of their control depends on occult knowledge of finance and banking. This is itself tenuously dependent on a propaganda system that includes education and media. If I were living in a world resembling George Orwell's 1984 - the perpetual boot stomping on the human face - I couldn't even think of the words necessary to describe the predicament I was in (if you've read the Novel, you understand why). Obviously that isn't the case, yet. We're getting closer to that "ideal", however. Most people can't conceive of any global-power structure that isn't related to some benign notion of pluralistic, democratically elected world leaders. Those of us who know better are "conspiracy kooks", and everybody knows conspiracies aren't real, or at least not falsifiable.

I think they're past the consolidation phase of wealth and coercive power. Now it's just a question of whether the Ministry of Truth can make us believe what isn't real, and disbelieve what is. The battle is on for our minds now.

Simply stated; it's the greatest scam I've ever come across. I don't think it gets any better than that. My inner scam-artist thinks: Why mess with perfection? If you've already won the game, why bother to change the rules?

For the simple reason that you're still able to freely articulate your criticism on a forum like this. Granted, you'll never be able to personally compete with the media, but you are still capable of thinking, and planting the seeds of thought in others.

You Will Know the NWO is Real When...

* "they" put microchips in you

-> my rebuttal- why bother? Cell phones have much better ranges than RFID, and everyone already carries those around willingly

The use of cell phones are still voluntary. They're quickly becoming ubiquitous, and for some indispensable, but they are far from necessary. In fact I've gotten by quite well without owning one for years now. I use the cell phones of others on occasion.

The ability to locate anyone anywhere at anytime is useful to a police state, and this is certainly possible with current technology (Digital Angel makes chips that will locate people by satellite/cell network, which is in contrast to simple RFID). However this won't be truly realized until you see a legal system that supports this, probably introduced under the guise of protecting us from child molesters. It will also require a technological infrastructure that makes it immediately obvious who isn't on the grid, such as what might be employed at checkpoints. Think of an automated, 21st century version of "your papers please".

* "they" outlaw cash

-> my rebuttal- why bother? Everyone I know willingly uses debit cards and carry very little cash these days anyway.

The use of credit and cashless media is still voluntary, even if cash may be somewhat inconvenient. The fact that people willingly use these things is irrelevant to the fact that those who don't wish to still have an alternative. It is when there is no alternative that your credit score will become vastly more important. When you can't by food without an authorized transaction, then you will probably learn the difference very quickly.

* "they" will begin a massive eugenics campaign against humanity

-> my rebuttal- read the news. There is nothing secret about the trans-humanist movement, or its goals. We are currently living in the genetic age, and the science has only just begun to show us what is possible. This isn't something that will happen, this is something that is happening right now. And as far as which directions it will take- if the scientists themselves aren't yet sure, what, exactly, are their shadowy overlords basing their strategies on?

In other words, let us assume that the shadowy overlords are planning on exterminating all people with IQs under 100, and will rely on a genetic test to find them. If no such test is scientifically possible, the strategy is doomed, world government or not.

I think the "shadowy overlords" are more concerned with removing anyone who is threatening or superfluous to their own opulent existence, and perhaps those who represent a threat to their Gaia, than they are with building a eugenically utopian world for others. In that sense, they're more likely to eliminate people with IQs above 100, similar to how Pol Pot killed all of the scholars and academics in Cambodia.