How powerful is human immune system?

[ShareCures]

I'm new here and because this seems like it might be a place open to discussing the body's natural ability to eliminate disease causing pathogens without any help from modern technology, gimmicks or gadgets I thought I would kick it around some here.

It is my opinion Keven Trudeau has paved the way for a whole new alternative world of gimmicks and scams. I believe he is the worst thing to happen to truth and understanding of the truth about health and healing.

Certainly everyone here is aware that most if not all alternative medicine continually fails double and triple blind studies, but when used by a trained alternative specialist the methods tend to get results, some better than others.

Anyone willing to discuss how the body is designed to eliminate all pathogens and remain disease free without the use of modern technology or Kevin Trudeau?

Possible discussion points.

Is there any truth to Western Medicine. (Relevant because they claim there are no cures for diseases the body is designed to cure.)

Is there any truth to Alternative Medicine? (Or is it all placebo effect?)

Does the body have an immune response designed to kill disease causing pathogens and if so what is getting in the way?

Does a person have the ability to direct their immune response the same as they direct their conscious activities?

How much of the 90 or 95% of the brain not used is responsible for our health and well being? (If we are designed to heal, clearly we are not using the program.)

That's a good start.

 

[paximperium]

I'm new here and because this seems like it might be a place open to discussing the body's natural ability to eliminate disease causing pathogens without any help from modern technology, gimmicks or gadgets I thought I would kick it around some here.

It is my opinion Keven Trudeau has paved the way for a whole new alternative world of gimmicks and scams. I believe he is the worst thing to happen to truth and understanding of the truth about health and healing.

Certainly everyone here is aware that most if not all alternative medicine continually fails double and triple blind studies, but when used by a trained alternative specialist the methods tend to get results, some better than others.

Anyone willing to discuss how the body is designed to eliminate all pathogens and remain disease free without the use of modern technology or Kevin Trudeau?

Possible discussion points.

Is there any truth to Western Medicine. (Relevant because they claim there are no cures for diseases the body is designed to cure.)

Is there any truth to Alternative Medicine? (Or is it all placebo effect?)

Does the body have an immune response designed to kill disease causing pathogens and if so what is getting in the way?

Does a person have the ability to direct their immune response the same as they direct their conscious activities?

How much of the 90 or 95% of the brain not used is responsible for our health and well being? (If we are designed to heal, clearly we are not using the program.)

That's a good start.

I suggest you narrow down your questions. There are way too many random points to cover which could fill several textbooks.

BTW: There is no "western" medicine. There is only medicine. Either it works or it doesn't and the whole "you only use 10% of your brain" is nonsense. You use 100% of your brain.

 

[ShareCures]

I suggest you narrow down your questions. There are way too many random points to cover which could fill several textbooks.

BTW: There is no "western" medicine. There is only medicine. Either it works or it doesn't and the whole "you only use 10% of your brain" is nonsense. You use 100% of your brain.

I think it will work out. You believe you use 100% of your brain, can you qualify that? Are you disease free? Or do you not believe the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable by "western" medicine?

If a person believes the body does not have the ability to cure incurable diseases it would suggest they do not use 100% of their brain.

 

[Complexity]

Kevin Trudeau is evil.

He makes money knowingly peddling lies to sick people.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Poll question makes no sense. If a disease is incurable, it cannot - by definition - be cured, whether by the body or by anything else.

 

[ShareCures]

Kevin Trudeau is evil.

He makes money knowingly peddling lies to sick people.

Yes he is and yes he does but he is not as evil as those who see to it that people are gullible enough to fall for the lies. Kevin belongs under a rock but the people who paved the way for him deserve worse. That would be both western and alternative medicine.

 

[paximperium]

You believe you use 100% of your brain, can you qualify that?

I don't believe, I know I use 100% of my brain. You just never use all at the same time. The entire literature in Neuroscience says so.

Are you disease free?

And this is relevant...how?

Or do you not believe the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable by "western" medicine?

Sure. I don't believe having half of your brain shot off by a gun is curable or having a massive aortic dissection is curable in any way or form.

If a person believes the body does not have the ability to cure incurable diseases it would suggest they do not use 100% of their brain.

So you believe that you can cure Congestive Heart Failure and a a ruptured aorta? Do tell.

 

[ShareCures]

Poll question makes no sense. If a disease is incurable, it cannot - by definition - be cured, whether by the body or by anything else.

It makes sense. A disease said to be incurable is only opinion. Do you believe the body can cure diseases said to be incurable. I will see about editing it so there is nothing that can be misconstrued.

 

[learner]

Yes he is and yes he does but he is not as evil as those who see to it that people are gullible enough to fall for the lies. Kevin belongs under a rock but the people who paved the way for him deserve worse. That would be both western and alternative medicine.

Help me out please. What is western Medicine?

 

[Amapola]

I think it will work out. You believe you use 100% of your brain, can you qualify that? Are you disease free? Or do you not believe the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable by "western" medicine?

If a person believes the body does not have the ability to cure incurable diseases it would suggest they do not use 100% of their brain.

Emphasis added... if you do not use 100% of your brain, why are brain injuries such a big deal? Why does even minor damage to the brain have a profound effect on the person? If you only needed 15% (or whatever) of your brain, you could whack off huge chunks of it and not affect the person at all. In fact, that is not the way it works.

I agree with Paximperium that you should trim the questions down a bit. Otherwise it will be really tough to stay on topic.

 

[paximperium]

Emphasis added... if you do not use 100% of your brain, why are brain injuries such a big deal? Why does even minor damage to the brain have a profound effect on the person? If you only needed 15% (or whatever) of your brain, you could whack off huge chunks of it and not affect the person at all. In fact, that is not the way it works.

I agree with Paximperium that you should trim the questions down a bit. Otherwise it will be really tough to stay on topic.

Well, you can in fact whack off quite a bit of the brain without any ill affect because the brain has a certain amount of plasticity. Neurosurgeons count of that when the remove huge chucks of the brain during surgery.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

It makes sense. A disease said to be incurable is only opinion. Do you believe the body can cure diseases said to be incurable. I will see about editing it so there is nothing that can be misconstrued.

Well that depends on in whose opinion is it incurable....

I certainly don't believe that the body could have cured my niece's congenitally deformed heart. "Western medicine" did very nicely with the heart transplant though. I don't think my mam's body could have cured her Addison's disease either, but again medicine is providing the missing hormones to enable her to live a normal life.

 

[Cainkane1]

Theres a term for the immune system seemingly and miraculously healing from what appeared to be a fatal disease but hose instances are few and far between. Some very few people seem to be immune to aids and such but i have never heard of someone infected with say herpes getting completely over the disease.

 

[Amapola]

Well, you can in fact whack off quite a bit of the brain without any ill affect because the brain has a certain amount of plasticity. Neurosurgeons count of that when the remove huge chucks of the brain during surgery.

Wow, no kidding! That's pretty cool.

So why do strokes and things have such a profound effect on people? Is it just certain parts of the brain? I wear a helmet when taking part in certain activities just to keep my brain safe. I'm not keen on getting concussions and so on as I had always heard they can really mess you up.

 

[ShareCures]

I don't believe, I know I use 100% of my brain. You just never use all at the same time. The entire literature in Neuroscience says so.
And this is relevant...how?
Sure. I don't believe having half of your brain shot off by a gun is curable or having a massive aortic dissection is curable in any way or form.
So you believe that you can cure Congestive Heart Failure and a a ruptured aorta? Do tell.

Aren't we a little argumentative?

Since we are so bold about what we "know" I do happen to know that there is no "incurable" disease. As for you asking if I can cure a ruptured aorta, no reply needed, argumentative with no logic or reason. I could have prevented it though.

I suggest that you do not use 100% of your brain and if you have diseases that PROVES it. Had you used your natural immune response you would still have all your aorta? Judging by your argumentative nature here you are probably lucky to be alive. I suspect you are on the verge of a cerebral hemorrhage now.

 

[ShareCures]

Help me out please. What is western Medicine?

"western medicine" can probably be easiest defined as all medicine governed and powered by pharmaceutical companies. You know use a drug to control signs and symptoms but be damn sure you don't cure the disease.

 

[Amapola]

@ShareCures: so you think the brain is the immune system?

 

[paximperium]

Since we are so bold about what we "know" I do happen to know that there is no "incurable" disease. As for you asking if I can cure a ruptured aorta, no reply needed, argumentative with no logic or reason. I could have prevented it though.

So that's a no in curing an actual incurable disease.

I suggest that you do not use 100% of your brain and if you have diseases that PROVES it.

That is called a logical fallacy or in the real world, plain old nonsense.

Had you used your natural immune response you would still have all your aorta?

Nah. The patient is fine. Saved his life. He has a nice Gortex aorta at the moment. Nothing beats real medicine.

Judging by your argumentative nature here you are probably lucky to be alive. I suspect you are on the verge of a cerebral hemorrhage now.

How cute. Are you claiming you can cure a Grade 4 subarachnoid hemorrhage with cerebral herniation too?

 

[ShareCures]

Theres a term for the immune system seemingly and miraculously healing from what appeared to be a fatal disease but hose instances are few and far between. Some very few people seem to be immune to aids and such but i have never heard of someone infected with say herpes getting completely over the disease.

BINGO! Thanks for staying on topic.

There we go, it is known that the body can cure diseases said to be incurable. Often the cures are linked to placebo treatments.

They are rare indeed but why are they rare? I suggest it is because people are educated to accept medicine, medicine's word and lies which has lead people to totally disregard their natural immune response and it's intended functions of what........................immunity.

People do not use their immune response and as such they do not use all their natural capabilities and as such they do not use 100% of their brain.

There is no incurable disease only incurable people.

 

[paximperium]

Wow, no kidding! That's pretty cool.

So why do strokes and things have such a profound effect on people? Is it just certain parts of the brain? I wear a helmet when taking part in certain activities just to keep my brain safe. I'm not keen on getting concussions and so on as I had always heard they can really mess you up.

It depends on the location of the stroke. Some small strokes are catastrophic while many strokes are "silent" because they occur in none critical parts of the brain.

However long term damage from such problems lead to dementia down the road.

You've probably heard of hemispherectomy where half the brain is removed in patient's with severe seizures? This can be done to children with decent results(they are not exactly 100% normal) because the remaining brain is extremely plastic and can take over the function of the removed part.