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How much longer will Israel exist?

How much longer will Israel exist?

  • Forever-Israel will change its ways.

    Votes: 8 50.0%

  • Forever-Israel will remove the Arabs.

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • 50 years. Arabs will overtake the Jews and change the state.

    Votes: 5 31.3%

  • 20 years. There will be civil war or Israel will destroyed from outside.

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Total voters
    16

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Howe much longer will Israel exist?

I predict that if they do not change their ways, and abandon state-sanctioned racism against Arabs and leave the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem, Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish state.

I give them.....50 years.
 
parky76 said:
Howe much longer will Israel exist?

I predict that if they do not change their ways, and abandon state-sanctioned racism against Arabs and leave the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem, Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish state.

I give them.....50 years.
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If I have to bet on this horse race, I will bet on the same time frame as you have: within fifty years it will go under, if under it is going to go. I voted in the poll accordingly.

Glad to see you and I can agree, now and again. :cool:
 
2012 per Mayan prediction.

A great wind shall come, the depths of the oceans shall open, the Anti-Christ will rule from Babylon, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, three years for all of us. :scared:
 
I voted...

Forever-Israel will remove the Arabs.

Although to be fair it was the closest choice as nothing lasts forever. IMO there is too much support for Israel around the world for any other option.
 
If the Arabs adopted a policy of non-violent protest, it would give great ammunition to Israeli liberals and would render many of the Judeo-fascist and right-wing Zionist's arguments, null and void.

The greatest enemy of Israeli right-wingers are peaceful Arabs. There greatest ally are Hamas and Islamic Jihad. They are a partnership of convenience.
 
parky76 said:
Howe much longer will Israel exist?

I predict that if they do not change their ways, and abandon state-sanctioned racism against Arabs and leave the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem, Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish state.

I give them.....50 years.
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Good question.

Well, if the guys in charge have their way, obviously, forever.

But a quick answer to your question is... as long as the United states. Because without the united states, israel is dead, or it will at the very least have to change it's evil ways.

So if the united states turns into zimbabwe look out!

But my guess is that the powers that be will not let this happen. If WW2 ended the LAST great depression then.....
 
I said Forever - Israel will change its ways, but this doesn't mean that I don't think the Arabs can and should and must and will also change their ways. Everybody's got to change. And I think it will eventually happen. In the meantime, Israel will not be destroyed.
 
parky76 said:
If the Arabs adopted a policy of non-violent protest,
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They'd probably fare as well as Ahmed Awad:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=499602

He succeeded in building bridges between Arab and Jewish communities. So much so, that there was a Spartacus moment:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=511396

Haaretz said:
The protesters, who were from the groups Anarchists Against the Fence and Ta'ayush Arab Jewish partnership, were demonstrating against the use of village grounds for the construction of the West Bank separation fence and against the Israel Defense Forces' decision to place Budrus resident Ahmed Awad under administrative detention for organizing anti-fence protests.

None of the Israelis arrested were carrying their identity cards, and when asked their names they all said, "My name is Ahmed Awad."

The IDF said it disrupted the demonstration because Israeli and foreign activists leading the protest violated an agreement the army had made with Budrus residents, whereby the protest would take place only near the village and not near the construction site.
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Demonstrate peacefully so long as the demo stays near the village. That's brilliant.

The greatest enemy of Israeli right-wingers are peaceful Arabs. There greatest ally are Hamas and Islamic Jihad. They are a partnership of convenience.
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Right wingers are their own worst enemy. Wherever they're from.



As for the OP...
It's tough to guess. Major powers in the world are still trying to sell the 2-state solution. But a large part of the Palestinian community is left out of the discussions. Instead of following up on pro-2-state comments by Hamas leaders, they have been ignored. Worse yet, Abbas has been given little more than standing ovations and a place in history as the perfect quisling.

America says it will accept any Israeli government -- no matter its make-up. But opinions on Israel are changing amongst the public. And in no small part because of Gaza. Lieberman and Netenyahu will only continue this trend. Eventually, Israel will have to stand up to American disaproval.


As for a timeline.... I can't give one.
 
FireGarden said:
They'd probably fare as well as Ahmed Awad:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=499602
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A bit off-topic: let me present another peaceful Palestinian activist: Shawan Jabarin. I contemplated starting another thread about it when it was in the Dutch news, two weeks ago, but with the promulgation of I/P threads here...

Jabarin is head of the Palestinian Human Rights organisation Al-Haq. This organisation, together with its Israeli sister organisation B'Tselem, earlier this month was awarded the "Geuzenpenning", a prestigious Dutch prize. From Haaretz:
Israel is preventing the director general of the Palestinian human rights organization Al-Haq, Shawan Jabarin, from travelling to the Netherlands to accept a prize. The Supreme Court has been asked to review Jabarin's petition to reverse the Shin Bet's decision.

The Geuzenpenning Prize for Human Rights Defenders will be given at a ceremony next week. The country's royal family is scheduled to attend, and Israel's refusal to allow Jabarin to travel to the Netherlands is straining relations with the European country.
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Jabarin's petition to the Israeli Supreme Court failed:
The court said Tuesday that Jabarin would not be allowed to travel because of security concerns. The ruling was based on evidence from Israeli security agents that Jabarin is involved with terror groups.
Jabarin said the charges were politically motivated and based on secret evidence he had never been able to see or challenge in court.
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The "terror groups" in question would be the PFLP, of which the Shin Beit claims Jabarin to be a member. Jabarin denies this. Neither he, nor his lawyer were allowed by the Court to see the evidence upon which Shin Beit makes this claim.

More Haaretz articles on previous petitions by him here and here.

Dutch TV further mentioned that he had spent, IIRC, in total 3 years of the last 8 years in jail. They also commented that the PA wouldn't be much help for him either, as Al-Haq is equally critical of PA human rights abuses as of Israeli human rights abuses.

As to the OP: still thinking about it. Small developments can make my outlook swing from pessimistic to optimistic or the other way round. The Israeli election results and this one make me rather pessimistic where it is going.
 
I think Israel will change their ways. As the demographics shift more and more against them, they will be forced to, unless they can foment a crisis that justifies mass deportations. This time, it will be more difficult to claim that the Muslims left under their own volition.

It seems to me the greatest threat to Israel is non-violent protest and passive resistance. They can justify brutality against terrorists and stone-throwers, but would have a much harder time suppressing peaceful marches and sit-ins.
 
I'm not really surprised that there are so many here rooting to the end of Israel as a Jewish state. If the wishes of those on this forum were come to pass, the Jews will again be at the mercy of their loving Arab brethren. So what will the alternative be once Jews become a minority in their own country? A strict Islamic nation like Yemen/Saudi Arabia or more liberal like the UAE? Will those in this forum be rooting for a great 'improvement' over the current state of affairs to that of Sharia law? Will the 'neo-Palestine' employ the same segregation of expats as seen in Saudi Arabia?

I'm sure before this 50 year endgame scenario for Israel will come to pass, that the racial segregation seen in France with their African/Asian 'citiés' and the Turkish/Moroccan divide in both the Netherlands and Germany will cause similar regulations that go against their once liberal views of multi-culturalism, which is a trend that we are seeing more and more.

All that is needed is the push by the previous majority at the threat of them becoming a minority. Multi-culturalism is all fine and dandy as a country's short-sighted tourist attraction, but do people readily accept the long-term consequences as a shift in demographics finally takes hold?

As for the OP of this thread, I agree with Lionking that Parky's limited choices is nothing more than another smear campaign (although Lionking did only state something along the lines of limited choices....took it a bit further).
 
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