How Long Will Biden Last? Full Term? Two?

[Brainster]

IMHO it is a foregone conclusion that Trump is out January 20th and Biden is in. But for how long? The entire Democratic establishment must be relieved that covid has turned this into a virtual campaign, where Biden's appearances can be more easily monitored and where he doesn't get into the rhetorical weeds.

But afterwards, when it turns time to govern? Pelosi has suddenly been talking about the 25th Amendment:

Democrats say they’re simply setting up a process authorized by the Constitution that should’ve been codified long ago but is especially needed now because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Republicans think Pelosi is continuing the effort she started with impeachment to try to oust President Donald Trump. And others suggest Pelosi is signaling that Trump, who tested positive for COVID-19 last week, is unfit to hold office.

It seems to me more likely that she's greasing the skids for Biden's likely removal at some point after the election. Obviously I have no real way of telling how much compos Biden has over his mentis. My dad was fine at that age, but you didn't want him driving after late afternoon or anytime he might be tired. Keep in mind, that Biden will be older on inauguration day than Reagan was the day he left the White House.

BTW, I'm not trying to be snide with the grease the skids comment, or conspiracy minded. It does seem quite reasonable to ask the questions about this. I was more thinking that Pelosi's sudden renewed urgency on this matter indicates that maybe Biden's mental state is deteriorating.

 

[acbytesla]

IMHO it is a foregone conclusion that Trump is out January 20th and Biden is in. But for how long? The entire Democratic establishment must be relieved that covid has turned this into a virtual campaign, where Biden's appearances can be more easily monitored and where he doesn't get into the rhetorical weeds.

But afterwards, when it turns time to govern? Pelosi has suddenly been talking about the 25th Amendment:



It seems to me more likely that she's greasing the skids for Biden's likely removal at some point after the election. Obviously I have no real way of telling how much compos Biden has over his mentis. My dad was fine at that age, but that you also didn't want him driving after late afternoon or anytime he might be tired. Keep in mind, that Biden will be older on inauguration day than Reagan was the day he left the White House.

BTW, I'm not trying to be snide with the grease the skids comment, or conspiracy minded. It does seem quite reasonable to ask the questions about this. I was more thinking that Pelosi's sudden renewed urgency on this matter indicates that maybe Biden's mental state is deteriorating.

I think Pelosi is more interested in showing Trump to the door as as soon as possible or necessary given that Trump has never demonstrated himself to be a graceful loser.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I really don't care.

I don't like Biden, but I don't think he will be awful. I have no idea what to expect from President Harris, but I'm willing to give her a chance. When that happens is not really too important to me.

 

[crescent]

"Suddenly" but you are quoting a three-week old article, made just three days after Trump was released from the hospital. People were still worried about the effects of the steroids he was given and what might happen if the steroid treatment was stopped. People were worried about after effects of the virus, which can include https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/even-mild-cases-can-cause-covid-19-fogneurological impacts to some people.

I don't think Pelosi had Biden in mind when she brought this up.

 

[Bob001]

IMHO it is a foregone conclusion that Trump is out January 20th and Biden is in. But for how long? The entire Democratic establishment must be relieved that covid has turned this into a virtual campaign, where Biden's appearances can be more easily monitored and where he doesn't get into the rhetorical weeds.
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Let's note that longevity is at least partly genetic, and Biden's father lived to be 86 and his mother died at age 93. There's no reason to believe that Biden is ready to keel over. And no one who has watched his debate performances, his TV interviews and town halls, and his rallies could possibly compare him unfavorably to Trump. The fact is that he's never been a great orator, but he's smart and he's fit. All Biden needs to do is tell the truth to the American people and appoint competent, responsible people to administer the government. There's no reason to think that he's not well-equipped to do that. And it will be quite an awakening after the last four years.

What we really need to worry about is what Trump will try to do to keep the White House even if he loses the election, and the wrath he will wreak in the eleven weeks between the election and Jan. 20.

 

[Meadmaker]

As long as he makes it until the polls close in Hawaii, I don't care.


I don't see any reason to assume he won't serve his entire first term, and at this point I don't see any reason to assume he won't run for reelection in 2024.

On the other hand, he would never have been my first choice, just because of his age. I think anyone over 70 ought not run for President, and moreso for any male over 70. So I don't think Hillary, Donald, Bernie, Joe, or Elizabeth should have run. Oh well, they did, and here we are. the next President will be too old. C'est la vie.

 

[JoeMorgue]

If Biden drops dead 5 seconds after he finishes the oath of office he will have been 1,000 times the President Trump ever was and I'll make anyone eat whatever serving of crow they try to feed me over it.

I don't care. The question is bad, loaded, and bait. If Biden dies Harris takes over and that's still a thousand times better than Trump. If Biden and Harris dies it will be Pelosi and that will still be a thousand times better than Trump.

 

[Meadmaker]

If Biden drops dead 5 seconds after he finishes the oath of office he will have been 1,000 times the President Trump ever was and I'll make anyone eat whatever serving of crow they try to feed me over it.

I don't care. The question is bad, loaded, and bait. If Biden dies Harris takes over and that's still a thousand times better than Trump. If Biden and Harris dies it will be Pelosi and that will still be a thousand times better than Trump.

Yes, but if Biden, Harris, and Pelosi all die, then it's President Grassley, which is only 100 times better than Trump.

 

[CORed]

IMHO it is a foregone conclusion that Trump is out January 20th and Biden is in. But for how long? The entire Democratic establishment must be relieved that covid has turned this into a virtual campaign, where Biden's appearances can be more easily monitored and where he doesn't get into the rhetorical weeds.

But afterwards, when it turns time to govern? Pelosi has suddenly been talking about the 25th Amendment:



It seems to me more likely that she's greasing the skids for Biden's likely removal at some point after the election. Obviously I have no real way of telling how much compos Biden has over his mentis. My dad was fine at that age, but you didn't want him driving after late afternoon or anytime he might be tired. Keep in mind, that Biden will be older on inauguration day than Reagan was the day he left the White House.

BTW, I'm not trying to be snide with the grease the skids comment, or conspiracy minded. It does seem quite reasonable to ask the questions about this. I was more thinking that Pelosi's sudden renewed urgency on this matter indicates that maybe Biden's mental state is deteriorating.

My gut feeling about Biden, based on what I've observed of various televised appearances, is that Biden is not suffering from dementia, but that his overall health is pretty shaky at best. I think on his bad days the simple fact that he feels like crap, possibly combined with respiratory or circulatory deficiency impacts his mental performance i.e. his brain is just not getting quite enough oxygen at time. Possibly Pelosi is planning to deal with Biden having a health crisis of some sort. It is also conceivable that a plan is already in place for Biden to win the election, and then bow out in favor of Harris shortly after his inauguration. Bowing out could take the form either of a resignation, or of declaring himself incapacitated and designating Harris as acting president. I'm not really sure just how bad Biden's health is, but I strongly suspect that it's not good. If Pelosi can manage to become president or acting president before Jan. 20 due to Covid-19 (or Trump going so far off his rocker that Pence and cabinet will decide to push him out, and then Pence dies or gets seriously ill from Covid), that would just be a bonus for her.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

I think Pelosi was playing political games. Raskin proposed the same bill three years ago when he claimed Trump was coming unhinged and that they needed a means of getting an honest mental health check.

Pelosi wanted to use this to get out the message that Trump was being secretive about his illness, he appeared to be sicker than he claimed, and that there was real reason to consider that he may not be fit for office.

Pelosi knew the bill wouldn't get anywhere, just like the last time. It was a political stunt.

I don't see any sign of Biden being senile or suffering from Alzheimer's. He is old. I think if he gets to a point were he can't serve, he will invoke the 25th himself. If he goes senile and can't recognize his own deficiency, I think Harris and the Cabinet would invoke the 25th.

 

[Bob001]

My gut feeling about Biden, based on what I've observed of various televised appearances, is that Biden is not suffering from dementia, but that his overall health is pretty shaky at best. I think on his bad days the simple fact that he feels like crap, possibly combined with respiratory or circulatory deficiency impacts his mental performance i.e. his brain is just not getting quite enough oxygen at time.
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Where is all this coming from? What's the basis for a claim like this?

 

[CORed]

Yes, but if Biden, Harris, and Pelosi all die, then it's President Grassley, which is only 100 times better than Trump.

I think Grassley would only be 2 or 3 times better Trump, at best. He's also old enough that he could drop dead at any moment too, which would make Pompeo the president.

 

[CORed]

Where is all this coming from? What's the basis for a claim like this?

It's purely intuitive speculation. It's a wild-ass guess at best, and it's very possible that I'm totally wrong about some or all of it. Biden simply does not appear to me to be very healthy. At times he seems reasonably sharp, and at other times he seems to be kind of out of it.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I think Grassley would only be 2 or 3 times better Trump, at best. He's also old enough that he could drop dead at any moment too, which would make Pompeo the president.

That's actually been a complaint of putting the President Pro Temp so high in the line of succession, that's it's a mostly symbolic honorific nearly always put on the longest serving (that is oldest) member of the majority party.

But the Line of Succession is another thing that needs to be revamped.

 

[theprestige]

Hopefully he'll last long enough to at least fulfill his campaign promise to mobilize trunalimunumaprzure. Sorry. His promise to lead an effective strategy to mobilize trunalimunumaprzure.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Trump will win again and if the Billionaire Cartel tries to steal it there will be hell on earth. Joe Biden will never see a day in office.

That's my opinion. We do remember the "Hillary is done" thread where it was a running joke to chime in and say "is she done yet?". But after she was done, it wasn't any fun anymore, although I posted so many Ben Garrison cartoons and predicted that Trump will win. But parallel reality was unfolding forcefully with claims of "The Russians" having been behind the eerie failure of Media bubble to predict reality. And all this nonsense is now "debunked" - we recently found out who wrote the bogus "Steele dossier", have you noticed? If not, maybe use yandex instead of google to find it out.

I simply don't think that the American people are as stupid as the Billionaire Cartel thinks they are, and that it will be possible to fake a victory of the corrupt, senile Zombie Biden in 2020. We will see.

 

[Jungle Jim]

IMHO it is a foregone conclusion that Trump is out January 20th and Biden is in. But for how long? The entire Democratic establishment must be relieved that covid has turned this into a virtual campaign, where Biden's appearances can be more easily monitored and where he doesn't get into the rhetorical weeds.

But afterwards, when it turns time to govern? Pelosi has suddenly been talking about the 25th Amendment:



It seems to me more likely that she's greasing the skids for Biden's likely removal at some point after the election. Obviously I have no real way of telling how much compos Biden has over his mentis. My dad was fine at that age, but you didn't want him driving after late afternoon or anytime he might be tired. Keep in mind, that Biden will be older on inauguration day than Reagan was the day he left the White House.

BTW, I'm not trying to be snide with the grease the skids comment, or conspiracy minded. It does seem quite reasonable to ask the questions about this. I was more thinking that Pelosi's sudden renewed urgency on this matter indicates that maybe Biden's mental state is deteriorating.

Presidents don't drive.

 

[Venom]

I've thought about this as well.

I believe Biden will at most serve a full term. I can't see him running for reelection, let alone winning. Who knows, he may even get primaried!

 

[JoeMorgue]

Biden has morals and will surround himself with good people with integrity. If things start to go south mentality he will either step down or be removed.

The same can't be said for Reagan or Trump.

 

[Meadmaker]

It's interesting to me that I remember the election of Ronald Reagan, and his campaign for re-election. A heck of a lot was made of the fact that he was the oldest president ever.

I hardly ever hear it mentioned that Trump is the oldest President ever to take office.

And of course Biden will break that record by a long way. He'll be older on his first day in office than Reagan was on his last day in office.....assuming he gets a first day in office.