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How does one go about getting published?

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i'm am in the process of writing a novel, and i want to get published. i have heard that canvasing for publishing houses that have published similar works is a good start, but i don't know the process. i can't afford an agent that isn't pro bono, so i would have to do everything myself. has anyone been through the publishing maze? any advice would be very appreciated.
 
Trying to get published, eh? Welcome to hell.

No, it's not hopeless, but it's a bloody hard slog; and success seems to involve not only talent but a lot of sheer luck in hitting the right agent or the right editor in the right mood on the right day. All publishers have a daunting slush pile of unsolicited mss, and unless yours stands out somehow, or comes through an agent, there's little chance of it getting more than a glance. But there are a few things you can do to up your chances.

1. Go out and get a Writer's Guide - an annual publication that summarizes markets for books, short stories and everything else, and usually contains all the advice you need about how to go about getting published. There are several - eg, the Writers' and Artists' Yearbook in UK, and a specialized one for Canadian markets - but I like Jeff Herman's, which covers both Canada and the all-important US market, and he also has good advice on his website.

2. Write a really good proposal, with a synopsis and sample chapter(s). You'll find a lot of valuable advice about constructing a proposal on the Net and in books like the above. You don't send a whole manuscript - you send a proposal. (This also saves on postage.)

3. Circulate your proposal not just to publishers, but to agents. In fact, agents do not get paid up front - they get a percentage when they manage to place your manuscript, so you don't need to worry about affording their services. On the other hand, this means that they'll usually only take you on if they feel they can make some money out of you, so an agent can be difficult to capture.

4. Look on the Net for a writers' conference near you - the sort that brings together writers, editors and agents, and gives you a chance to make a ten-minute pitch directly to someone who can help you. Look at the Surrey Writers Conference website as a model. (It's the only one I've been to, but they're everywhere).

5. Be persistent. Be prepared to be anguished and enraged when your manuscript thumps back through your mail slot. Then be prepared to swallow all that, turn around and send it out again. It's like getting back on the horse that has just thrown you.

6. Do NOT get so desperate that you turn to a "subsidized" publisher, who will print your book for you at your own expense. They are generally a snare and a delusion.

7. Find some other writers to gripe to about the publishing world. It's very cathartic.

That's all I can think of at the moment. Oh, one more thing - actually getting published does not mean instant fame and fortune. For most of us, it's only the bottom rung on the ladder. Good luck with your book - Rebecca
 
Excellent advice Rebecca. To which I would only add to point #5, be persistent: Don't quit writing every day, even if you've finished your novel. Get started on writing something else immediately. Start another novel, a short story, a magazine article, anything. If you're a writer, then you write. Period. (It also takes your mind off the anxiety of waiting for your manuscript to come thumping through the mailslot.) :)

Nigel
 
Nigel said:
Excellent advice Rebecca. To which I would only add to point #5, be persistent: Don't quit writing every day, even if you've finished your novel. Get started on writing something else immediately. Start another novel, a short story, a magazine article, anything. If you're a writer, then you write. Period. (It also takes your mind off the anxiety of waiting for your manuscript to come thumping through the mailslot.) :)

Nigel

i'm only about half way done with my novel, but i can certainly understand what you are saying. thank you.
 
If you mean a book on how to research such a thing, then there's probably a good chance it will be picked up if it is well written.

If you mean your own personal family history, then unless you are from an already famous family, I do not mean to be rude but there is an almost zero chance of any commercial publisher wanting to print it. If you want to show it off to friends and family, go to a copy shop and get a few copies made up.
 
As someone who managed to get a few short stories published, and is also trying to get novels published, I'd like to add something.

If this is your first attempt to write a novel, then please understand that you're going to make a lot of mistakes. Contrary to the myth, there are no "natural" writers who can sit down and whip out a polished story of 100,000 words or so that any reputable publisher will consider worthy of printing. Writing is not only an art, it's a craft. You learn by writing, getting good critiques, listening to what the critiquers are telling you, then rewriting over and over again. Most first novels are eventually shoved in drawers and never see the light of day, even with people who go on to become established - nay, famous - authors.

The good news is, with the internet, joining an online writing critique group is never easier and we're an understanding bunch of people. We're either beginning ourselves or well remember being at that stage. Just be aware, there are sharks in the waters. Never, ever, pay money to someone who claims to be a publisher or agent. Money flows toward the writer, period. If you email me, I can send you links to various writers and critique sites that are designed to help someone just starting, such as yourself.
 
We have a group of writers working together right in here at JREF. Many of the now more than 20 participants are young writers, trying to improve their craft and get published, while some are more experienced. So we have a good mix.

If you're interested, you can keep up with group business here. Also, PM me your email address, and I'll email you all the particulars.
 
Currently awaiting the arrival of rejection slip #1.

Oh, the agony...

And all of what Rebecca said applies & is excellent advice. Churning on to book #2 before my afterburners flame-out...

respectfully,
Mel
 
One piece of advice I have heard and read repeatedly was to buy a couple of folders for rejection slips. Or a king-size waste bin.

BTW is there something to the rumor that "Gone with the Wind" was rejected 37 times before it was finally accepted?
 
Melissa Johnson said:
Currently awaiting the arrival of rejection slip #1.

Oh, the agony...

And all of what Rebecca said applies & is excellent advice. Churning on to book #2 before my afterburners flame-out...

respectfully,
Mel
When does the group get to read some of your work?
 
Phil said:

When does the group get to read some of your work?

Heh....I been nabbed!

Sorry, Phil. When should I submit? I admit, I've been preoccupied and stuff and haven't been participating.

Would respectfully offer up a chapter or two and see what's thought of it. But I've just been awfully nervous about it...like who's not?

Part of the problem too is I can only post when I'm at work and our season has started (fierce!) so I've also...

Yeah, I'm making excuses. Tell me what I oughta do.

:D
 
Melissa Johnson said:


Heh....I been nabbed!

Sorry, Phil. When should I submit? I admit, I've been preoccupied and stuff and haven't been participating.

Would respectfully offer up a chapter or two and see what's thought of it. But I've just been awfully nervous about it...like who's not?

Part of the problem too is I can only post when I'm at work and our season has started (fierce!) so I've also...

Yeah, I'm making excuses. Tell me what I oughta do.

:D
First, you oughta not worry about it so much.

If you don't feel comfortable sharing with the group, that's okay. Perfectly natural.

But I can tell you (and you'll probably get confirmation from everyone who's submitted to a critique so far) there is nothing better than having other talented people looking at your work.

Every time I get to thinking I've got the writing game wired, I get a critique back and gain something that makes my writing even stronger. You just can't beat it for improving a manuscript. And the stronger it is when you send it to publishers, the fewer rejection letters you're going to receive in the long run.

Again, it's up to you, and you're not going to hurt anyone's feelings if you don't share. But if you decide you want some really good input, no one has volunteered for a June distribution yet. You can have that slot if you want it.

Or, barring that, you're welcome to submit just to me, or to some other group member individually. I know that Garrette is a great critiquer when he has time, as are a few others that I'm drawing a blank on right now. But if you want to go that route, let me know, and we'll work something else out.
 
No, I don't mind the group looking at it. I'll volunteer the first chapter of my novel for June--I'll probably know by then whether or not the publisher wants it. I just feel bad submitting it to the group when I haven't taken time to chip in on the other submissions.

Just a request to remind me--June is an awfully busy month. I can submit it in a Word file, if that will work?

Anyhow, I'm still here and still hoping to participate, even though I'm not one to speak up often.


Mel
 
Melissa Johnson said:
No, I don't mind the group looking at it. I'll volunteer the first chapter of my novel for June--I'll probably know by then whether or not the publisher wants it. I just feel bad submitting it to the group when I haven't taken time to chip in on the other submissions.

Just a request to remind me--June is an awfully busy month. I can submit it in a Word file, if that will work?

Anyhow, I'm still here and still hoping to participate, even though I'm not one to speak up often.


Mel
Great!!

You're up for June!

Word is fine, and I'll remind you when June approaches. Meanwhile, I'm going to post this in our Group thread to let everyone else know, and as a reminder to myself.
 
Phil said:

Great!!

You're up for June!

Word is fine, and I'll remind you when June approaches. Meanwhile, I'm going to post this in our Group thread to let everyone else know, and as a reminder to myself.

Thanks Phil--ooh, and sneaky way to snag me! Hee.

I'll look forward to that. Actually, I'm kind of proud of what I've written, even if it is (possibly) pulp trash...
 
You bash your head against a brick wall over and over again. Then, if a miracle happens, you get published.

Unless you're a Canadian lesbian, in which case you can get a grant, and your work will always be in demand because of the Canadian Content regulations.
 
Melissa Johnson said:
Rejection. *sigh* :(

Back to the keyboard...
Tough break. But don't get down. Keep writing.

And save all the rejection notices to throw back in their fat faces when you get published.
 

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