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How about an X-Men School?

Jyera

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I propose to start an "X-Men school".
I think it might be good for JREF to be involved in the setting up of such a school.

Have you seen this ?
Magnetic man and Magnetic Boy
http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/pmag.htm
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_413344.html
I wonder if it is true or is it fake.
The skeptical approach would be to cask doubt in it. The rational approach might try to seek a logical explanation.
Is this paranormal?

This “Magnetic man/boy” reminds me of “Magneto” in the movie X-Men.
If you have not seen it, I encourage you to do so. You’ll see that the leader of X-men (Xavier), despite his special ability, is a very scientific man.
He teaches the children high level physics in one scene.
In the movie, Dr Xavier, helped the talented “mutants” adapt to life and contribute to society.
I feel we should reach out to young people with special ability. (if there are any)

I suggest for JREF to start an “X-Men” School and Scholarship. And attract all the people who truly have “extra ordinary power”
to develop their talent in an “X-Men valley”.

By granting such talented individual a humble scholarship in science, these talented people will be motivated to contribute to science and critical thinking.
Perhaps the ”magnetic” boy may grow up to be a scientist who will be able to arrive at suitable scientific explanation of his own unique phenomenon.
He can then attempt to impart his skill in a tightly scrutinized school. And if s/he is a poor teacher, then s/he should be treated as just that, poor teacher. S/he should be discredited first for the poor teaching, and then secondly consider the announcement of a lost in ability.

It is tempting to say that if these people truly have “paranormal” or “extraordinary” abilities, there will be plenty of people queuing up to turn their ability into commercially viable and economically sustainable business. But I’m skeptical of the merit of the pure capitalist who see only the short term gain. Much less, the integrity of merchants, with their market-making propaganda machinery.

It is my personal impression that many businesses start on the basis of some truly scientific discovery. This is good. But when later scientific investigation disproved the initial findings, many businesses do not handle it with integrity. Instead of retracting and closing down the business, they invented lies or half-truth to sustain it. And then, after a while, they stop selling what are they originally selling as the core product, and start selling “hope”, “dreams”, “feel-good”, “illusions”.

If we have a big group of people, who have paranormal ability, thinking very critically and scientifically, it would make the task of promoting critical thinking easy. An “X-men” school could help to achieve that.

It is not easy to establish a reputable educational institution. I would trust it to be of the highest standard if it is run by Mr Randi. Establishing the school and scholarship is one task. But winning the hearts of “mutants” (people with special ability as in X-men) over to become proponent of scientific and critical thinking is tougher. It'll need a prominent leader with high integrity and standing.
Mr. Randi while not infallible, do have a strong skeptical strength to ensure the high level of integrity needed.

I think, that if indeed a person has special ability, a profit seeking businesses will abuse and milk them for all their abilities’ worth.
And perhaps to continue to abuse them for their publicity and fame, even after they have lost their ability.

There is a need for people who genuinely have special ability, to be protected and guided.
And I would rather have a scientific and critical thinking community nurture them. Leaving them to the hands of self deluding master, or a profit seeking businesses will ruin their future, delude many others, and make the predatory unscrupulous business person richer.

On the other hand, there might not be anyone who genuinely has paranormal ability.
So at this point, I optimistically think that it should be easy to fund an “X-Men” school and scholarship.
And I hope that we are wrong. I hope that there are many amongst us that truly have special ability. Then we have more chance to advance human knowledge, technology and society.

The “Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” has done well to show the world the fact about paranormal abilities.
It should remain. But it is time to add new things.
Why not allow winners to have a choice to forgo the million for a humble but stringent scholarship in X-Men school?
It'll be cost effective for JREF.

With the humble scholarship, those who disdain money but value their ability need not compromise their integrity.
It will also mean, that those who rely on the disdain of the million dollars to stay out of the challenge will have no excuse to do so.
This will help place JREF on moral high ground.
 
I call wolverine...he is cool and those claws.. baby, oh yeah.


no wait I want to be jaggernaut because he is unstoppable.





Virgil
 
Virgil said:
I call wolverine...he is cool and those claws.. baby, oh yeah.

no wait I want to be jaggernaut because he is unstoppable.

Virgil

Yeah ! Cool !
Loved by the skeptics, feared by the charlatans ! :)
But be wary of Magneto ... he can bend spoons!

Nah... just joking.

X-men ought to be kind and seek to bring salvation to all. Even thy enemy.
 
Jyera said:
I propose to start an "X-Men school".
I think it might be good for JREF to be involved in the setting up of such a school.



I suggest for JREF to start an “X-Men” School and Scholarship. And attract all the people who truly have “extra ordinary power”
to develop their talent in an “X-Men valley”.


The “Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge” has done well to show the world the fact about paranormal abilities.
It should remain. But it is time to add new things.
Why not allow winners to have a choice to forgo the million for a humble but stringent scholarship in X-Men school?
It'll be cost effective for JREF.


What winners? There has been no winner of the JREF challenge since its inception, and there's no reason to suspect that to changet in the immediate future.

Anyone who could qualify for the "JREF X-Men Scholarship" could probably also qualify for the $1M prize, and probably wouldn't need the scholarship. (Let's see : $1M, put away at 7% would yield me $70,000 per year, and tuition at MIT is only $30,000 so I'd still have $40,000 per year to live on and be able to stay at MIT forever.)

The whole point of the JREF challenge is that the paranormally gifted mutants don't exist. For the people who believe this, an X-Men school would be a waste of money. For the people who don't believe this, the fact that the JREF would be supporting/running the X-Men school would make it automatically untrustworthy, and they'd not apply.

Sounds like a lose/lose situation to me, as much as one might like the idea of Halle Berry or Hugh Jackson in Spandex....
 
The first thing I thought of was the old X-men cartoon theme song. Then came, "JEAN!!!!!!!!!!!"

Are Magnetic Boy and Magnetic Man related? Look, it's well established in continuity that powers don't always go through to the next generation. Magneto's children are Quicksilver (super speed) and The Scarlet Witch (er... hex bolts or something that affects chance?) while the child of Madeline Pryor (Jean Grey's clone) and Cyclops would have been a very powerful telepath/telekinetic, were it not for the techno-organic virus ravaging his body and his kid had... crap, I can't remember what powers he had.

And seriously, Randi as Prof. X? You want him to lose the beard?

END LOSER
 
Magnetic man
http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/pmag.htm

I wonder if it is true or is it fake.

The story was published on a site called "100 megs free" and you are wondering if it is true or not. I'd be much more impressed with the claim if the iron plate magnetically sticking to the man's stomach were not tucked under his belt. I'd also be much more impressed with the story if there hadn't been so many people claiming magentic powers having already been debunked. Lastly, I'd be much more impressed if the whole thing were repeated under controlled conditions such as a preliminary test for the JREF prize.

Don't put the cart before the horse. Or in this case, don't put the cart before the invisible pink unicorn. It is great fun to imagine a world where oridinary people might discover they have extraordinary super powers, but that world and this world have nothing in common.
 
Liew, a 70-year-old retired contractor, ...

He said he discovered his ability 10 years ago after reading an article about a family in Taiwan who possessed such power.

“After reading the article, I took several iron objects and put them at my abdomen.

“To my surprise, all the objects including an iron, stuck on my skin and did not fall down,” he said.

So let me see if I have this correct... for 60 years of his life he never noticed the effect his body has on iron objects, and only after reading an article did he discover this "power" of his.

Yeah, I can believe that.
 
cyclops was gay...he kept losing his glasses. In an aternate universise his kid was cable. he was cool. but I stand with other choices..


V
 
Re: Re: How about an X-Men School?

Originally posted by drkitten
What winners? There has been no winner of the JREF challenge since its inception, and there's no reason to suspect that to changet in the immediate future.
That is part of the basis, upon which I based my optimism. It is not costly to run a scholarship programme if we make the fix cost zero, and variable cost dependent on the number of successful candidate. Which is also expected to be zero.
Originally posted by drkitten
Anyone who could qualify for the "JREF X-Men Scholarship" could probably also qualify for the $1M prize, and probably wouldn't need the scholarship. (Let's see : $1M, put away at 7% would yield me $70,000 per year, and tuition at MIT is only $30,000 so I'd still have $40,000 per year to live on and be able to stay at MIT forever.)
Make lot$ of cent$($en$e). I myself is unlikely to trade the $1million prize for a $cholar$hip. Then again I $houldn't doubt the nobility of other$.
Originally posted by drkitten
The whole point of the JREF challenge is that the paranormally gifted mutants don't exist. For the people who believe this, an X-Men school would be a waste of money.
Many has commented that putting up the 1 million prize money is a waste of money. (eg. interest cost, auditing cost). But it is still there. It is there for a purpose. Since JREF is about education. starting a school isn't too far fetch. To promise to award an X-Men scholarship and to promise to start an X-men school is akin to upping the stake in this "sure-win" bet.
Originally posted by drkitten
For the people who don't believe this, the fact that the JREF would be supporting/running the X-Men school would make it automatically untrustworthy, and they'd not apply
This is a valid concern. And I hope it can be overcome.
Originally posted by drkitten
Sounds like a lose/lose situation to me, as much as one might like the idea of Halle Berry or Hugh Jackson in Spandex....
As far as we are against con artists, I don't think we need to consider win-win. Maybe lose-win (con artist loses) is an option. But I would like those people who can contribute to the advancement of human ability (paranormal or not) to move over to the right side.
 
If a person's paranormal power is so weak that that person cannot make money from it, (given that people pays ridiculous sums just to play twenty questions with people who pretend to talk to the dead) then why should the JREF give that person money?


The world would be a wonderful place if people could flap their arms and fly. However, setting up a school for people to develop or perfect this ability is not a prudent use of funds.

Let the applicant who wins the JREF prize money set up the school to teach other how to use paranormal abilities.
 
Virgil said:
cyclops was gay...he kept losing his glasses. In an aternate universise his kid was cable. he was cool. but I stand with other choices..


V

Did they uber-retcon that? I remember that in the regular universe his kid was Cable.
 
LostAngeles said:


Did they uber-retcon that? I remember that in the regular universe his kid was Cable.


Maybe you are right..it is so hard to keep the different editions straight.


V
 
Ladewig said:
If a person's paranormal power is so weak that that person cannot make money from it, (given that people pays ridiculous sums just to play twenty questions with people who pretend to talk to the dead) then why should the JREF give that person money?
From what you described, this person do not have power and is a con-artists pretending to have power.

Weak power or Strong power, my main concern is that, if they do have power, they are likely to be exploited for profit by unscrupulous people.

I don't think they need money. I think they did protection. Including protecting themselves from their own greed to make a quick buck. With their power they could do more. And I mean contribution to science, not those comic fighting stuff.

Originally posted by Ladewig
The world would be a wonderful place if people could flap their arms and fly. However, setting up a school for people to develop or perfect this ability is not a prudent use of funds.
But I agree it would be risky to do so.
But just to clarify to readers of this thread. So far, at no point in this thread did I mention about funding people to develop their paranormal ability. Perhaps you get the idea from the Movies or Comics.
I did mention giving them scholarship to study science.

Originally posted by Ladewig
Let the applicant who wins the JREF prize money set up the school to teach other how to use paranormal abilities.
That would be a noble thing to do (to setup a school). If they started a scientific, skeptical, critical, pragmatic X-Men school independent of JREF. It'll be more than a financial lost for JREF.
 
I do not see it entire impossible for someone to have special ability. Consider the following ...

What if all of us are colorblind?

Then those individuals who are not color blind may be considered as outcast for seeing things.

Or they would be exploited for their power.
(Imagine someone get poker card maker to make poker cards with secret color code to indicate what card is it.)

Such situation is not inconceivable.

Are there existing schools catered to the development of gifted individuals?
 
Jyera said:
Are there existing schools catered to the development of gifted individuals?
Are there gifted individuals ?

Certainly the U.S. government spent a lot of time, effort and money "developing" people's remove viewing skills before concluding that there were no skills to develop.

I'd like to see magnetic boy tested by an independent party to see whether his mysterious power is anything to do with clammy skin or glue.
 
Jyera said:
I do not see it entire impossible for someone to have special ability. Consider the following ...

What if all of us are colorblind?

Then those individuals who are not color blind may be considered as outcast for seeing things.

Or they would be exploited for their power.
(Imagine someone get poker card maker to make poker cards with secret color code to indicate what card is it.)

Such situation is not inconceivable.


Lots of stuff is "not inconceivable." It's conceivable that I'm going to receive a lucrative Hollywood contract to direct the Spiderman 3 sequel in the mail today, and will be able to retire on the process. I can imagine that I will get a phone call this morning inviting me to become the official science advisor to the Swedish government. But I'm not expecting either of them, and I'm certainly not taking them seriously for planning purposes.

Imagination is important, but don't let yourself into believing that what you imagine is true.
 
The Don said:
Are there gifted individuals ?

Certainly the U.S. government spent a lot of time, effort and money "developing" people's remove viewing skills before concluding that there were no skills to develop.

I'd like to see magnetic boy tested by an independent party to see whether his mysterious power is anything to do with clammy skin or glue.

Are you referring to "remote viewing" instead of "remove viewing".

Where did you get info that they had conducted remote viewing training/investigation?
 
drkitten said:
Lots of stuff is "not inconceivable." It's conceivable that I'm going to receive a lucrative Hollywood contract to direct the Spiderman 3 sequel in the mail today, and will be able to retire on the process. I can imagine that I will get a phone call this morning inviting me to become the official science advisor to the Swedish government. But I'm not expecting either of them, and I'm certainly not taking them seriously for planning purposes.

Imagination is important, but don't let yourself into believing that what you imagine is true.

How do you best describe such philisophy?
Ie. we encourage that even if our imagination could be logically sound and possible, it is not true until it happen?

Pragmatism?
 

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