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Hong Kong

3point14 said:
It's all going off in Hong Kong. I can't find a thread about it.

Anyway, here's a journalist being supplied with essential protest kit by those that came better prepared:

https://preview.redd.it/8cl1whsq13431.gif?format=mp4&612e525d



Is it too much of a stretch to remember 1989 at this time?
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This is the sort of thing these kids are resisting

"The demonstrators also appeared mindful of Beijing's growing use of electronic surveillance, such as facial recognition technology, to build dossiers on those it considers politically unreliable, and many of them wore surgical masks to hide their features as well as reduce the effects of tear gas."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12240312

China is one thoroughly evil empire.
 
Samson said:
China is one thoroughly evil empire.
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On my recent trip to Asia, I visited several police states, but China was the only one that felt like a police state. They really wanted you to know that they considered you a threat, even if you were just there on vacation.
 
Horatius said:
On my recent trip to Asia, I visited several police states, but China was the only one that felt like a police state. They really wanted you to know that they considered you a threat, even if you were just there on vacation.
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Yeah, there's not a lot of velvet glove these days, and plenty of iron fist.

People in HK & Taiwan need to accept that they're part of China and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it.

HK, in particular, should have seen this coming for the past 20 years and more - the two-state system would only work as long it suits China, which involved HK shutting up and making money.

Have your hookers and blow, but don't piss off the Party.
 
This was always on the cards, China gave Patton a fig leaf for his domestic audience but China was always clear that "two systems one country" was a temporary measure. And China "conceded" that for for the simple reason it didn't want to disrupt the cash cow.
 
I find it interesting that those people who are constantly screaming about how the UK and the US are becoming police states are noticeably silent when it comes to this obvious and actual police state. Infowars, for example- yes, I held my nose and had a quick peek- is ignoring this story entirely.
Funny, that. :rolleyes:
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I find it interesting that those people who are constantly screaming about how the UK and the US are becoming police states are noticeably silent when it comes to this obvious and actual police state. Infowars, for example- yes, I held my nose and had a quick peek- is ignoring this story entirely.
Funny, that. :rolleyes:
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It really is 1984 being rolled out, but with critical mass.
 
There are some positive developments, a few officials have sided with the protestors. The decision on the legislation has been postponed.
 
3point14 said:
It's all going off in Hong Kong. I can't find a thread about it.

Anyway, here's a journalist being supplied with essential protest kit by those that came better prepared:

https://preview.redd.it/8cl1whsq13431.gif?format=mp4&612e525d

Is it too much of a stretch to remember 1989 at this time?
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I said it back in 1998 that Kong Kongers will rue the day they went from British rule to Chinese rule.

I hate being right sometimes.

McHrozni
 
There was an interesting interview with the BBC's china correspondent saying here was no reporting about this in China.

The BBC also reported 2 million people were involved in the demonstration, I think this indicates just how scared the people of Hong Kong are of the Chinese legal system. In theory having an extradition agreement between Hong Kong and China sounds reasonable obviously the reality would be quite scary. Certainly the church leaders interviewed took the view that they would be at risk of extradition.
 
Planigale said:
The BBC also reported 2 million people were involved in the demonstration, I think this indicates just how scared the people of Hong Kong are of the Chinese legal system. In theory having an extradition agreement between Hong Kong and China sounds reasonable obviously the reality would be quite scary.
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Quite scary indeed:

“China is harvesting organs from detainees, tribunal concludes”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...g-organs-from-detainees-uk-tribunal-concludes



Associated note, Chris patten challenges Jon snow for the knew nothing crown:

“Sometimes it is difficult to avoid the rather gloomy thought that we are seeing the emergence of a superpower that does not believe in individual human rights. “ - from his guardian opinion piece
 
Giz said:
“Sometimes it is difficult to avoid the rather gloomy thought that we are seeing the emergence of a superpower that does not believe in individual human rights. “ - from his guardian opinion piece
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This is why it's so hard to trust the media. China has been such a superpower for two generations now. We're not seeing the emergence of sweet bless all. We're seeing the next phase in the evolution of something that emerged almost a hundred years ago.

And yet this silliness is what passes for helpful commentary to the modern masses. Children who were born yesterday and only started thinking about China this morning.
 
In this particular instance I think it sounds like this was thought up by Carrie Lam, probably to gain her personal brownie points with her masters rather than coming direct from the Chinese government. I would have thought if it had come from the Chinese government there is no way in a decade of Sundays they would allow it to be reversed or put aside.
 
theprestige said:
This is why it's so hard to trust the media. China has been such a superpower for two generations now. We're not seeing the emergence of sweet bless all. We're seeing the next phase in the evolution of something that emerged almost a hundred years ago.

And yet this silliness is what passes for helpful commentary to the modern masses. Children who were born yesterday and only started thinking about China this morning.
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Hell, Tiananmen Square was 30 years ago. I have seen nothing since then to suggest that China has improved in matters of human rights.
 
angrysoba said:
It’s not like they wanted to. I think they rued the day before it was even the day.
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It's not like there was anything the people of Hong Kong, or the government of the UK, for that matter, could have done about it other than get a lot of people killed. IIRC, the treaty that put Hong Kong under British rule gave the UK a 99 year lease on Hong Kong, and the government of China said they wanted Hong Kong back. The UK certainly lacked the military strength to effectively contest it if they had even wanted to do so.

There might have been a legal argument as to whether a treaty signed with the Chinese Imperial government applied to the current Chinese government, but that would have meant nothing had the Chinese decided to enforce their will militarily.
 
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