Homosexuals terrorize marriage!

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When asked, exactly how homosexuals "terrorize" marriage, 1inC replied:

1inChrist said:
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
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You're not getting off that easy. You didn't say where the "terror" part comes in.
 
Still arguing with an obvious sock puppet? The Shroud of Turin didn't tip you off?
 
riverlethe said:
Hey, the sock puppet knows the Christian arguments better than many Christians.
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Ya know, he's got a point. I don't think I am trying to prove anything to 1inC, so much as see where an argument might lead...
 
gnome said:
When asked, exactly how homosexuals "terrorize" marriage, 1inC replied:

You're not getting off that easy. You didn't say where the "terror" part comes in.
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Well, before the thread falls to the bottomless heap of lost PCE abyss, I'll ask a relevant question:

What credibility is there in the conservative criticism that "if we allow gay marriage, we open the doors to allowing any amount of sexual immorality (NAMBLA-styled unions, incestual unions, etc.)"?
 
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Yahweh said:
What credibility is there in the conservative criticism that "if we allow gay marriage, we open the doors to allowing any amount of sexual immorality (NAMBLA-styled unions, incestual unions, etc.)"?
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None. It's a (false) slippery slope argument. Gay unions have nothing to do with pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, etc. Proponents of gay marriage want exactly the same thing that heterosexual marriage has, with the sole difference being the gender of one of the two parties.

The hilarious thing, of course, is that preventing gay marriage does nothing to stop pedophilia, bestiality, incest, or necrophilia. The people committing those acts aren't trying to get married.

I think the people who fall for this are unthinking fools who will lump everything "icky!" together and vote against it, and the people selling it to them know it. You could probably persuade them that a) communism is bad, b) obesity is bad, therefore c) a vote against communism will make you thinner.

You can gain a lot of advantage telling people what they want to hear.
 
The only reason gays are persecuted is because of a book written by people who thought the world was flat and ended at the mediterranean. Sad but true.
 
zenith-nadir said:
The only reason gays are persecuted is because of a book written by people who thought the world was flat and ended at the mediterranean. Sad but true.
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Not entirely. Plenty of non-Christians persecute gays just as much. West Africa and Southeast Asia as a cultural thing, Islam as a religious thing, and India for a combination.

The sad fact is that places that are friendly to gays are the exception to the norm.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Not entirely. Plenty of non-Christians persecute gays just as much. West Africa and Southeast Asia as a cultural thing, Islam as a religious thing, and India for a combination.

The sad fact is that places that are friendly to gays are the exception to the norm.
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You are correct in correcting me. All religions hate gays. Why? I dunno. But if a guy or girl prefers a same sex partner it doesn't effect my sexuality so what's the big deal...oh ya, cuz god said so ;)
 
zenith-nadir said:
You are correct in correcting me. All religions hate gays. Why? I dunno. But if a guy or girl prefers a same sex partner it doesn't effect my sexuality so what's the big deal...oh ya, cuz god said so ;)
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I don't know of any particular Buddhist or Shinto admonitions against homosexuality. And I'm willing to bet that it's not specifically forbidden in all the animist religions, either. It's not against traditional Voodoo beliefs, either.

Homophobia grows out of culture. Sometimes the culture is shaped by religion, sometimes not. Jamaica's particularly virulent strain seems to be equally religious and nonreligious in origin, as do the West Africans in countries that are split between animism and other religions. Singapore isn't particularly religious, and they're uptight about everything.

Personally, I think the cultural and religious attitudes toward homosexuality are simply the visible codification of the real cause, which rests in the individual's psychological attitudes toward sex. I suspect that the Christians who march around hating gays do so because fundamentally, there is something in their personal psychological makeup that makes homosexuality disturbing to them. The "fact" that "God says it's bad" is probably a relief to them, because it's both justification for their personal attitudes and an invitation to not think deeply about it.

My modest proposal is that anyone who wishes to condemn homosexuality is cordially invited to do so---after having experienced it for themselves.
 
Funny, haven't seen much of 1inC the last couple of days. Is he off sulking somewhere because the rest of us who voted for Bush made it plain we'd rather be hollowed out and used as prophylactics by thorn-cocked Gulbuth The Rampant than exchange high-fives with him...?
 
What kills me about the whole sanctity of marriage sham is that millions of gays woke up November 3rd and said: "You know what, they're right. I'm out of the mainstream. I'll give up the whole thing and forget about being gay -- NOT!"

The discussion about that isn't over, and history suggests that they will overwhelmingly win, eventually. What they want is as harmless and reasonable as what blacks wanted during the Civil Rights era, and what the Moral Police want is as self-centered, fear-based, and irrationally phobic as racism. Of course, the gay marriage issue shot the entire left in the foot this time around, but I'm not bitter about that. Much.
 
The biggest factor in homophobia is that it is repulsive. What I mean is that a great many men are repulsed at the thought of fooling around with another man, to the point that they want to pass laws about it.

I think that personally, I wouldn't want to have sex with another man. I also wouldn't want to eat bugs, lick gerbils, dig ditches for a living, live in a cave, or have sex with my mother-in-law. SHOCKINGLY, none of these other repulsive issues are up for a vote.

Something that is quite ridiculous with the whole ban on gay marriage thing is that the part of homosexuality that is most repulsive to people is not being banned, and the factor that is most damaging to marriage is not being banned either! Gays can still have sex, and people can still get divorced. Unbelieveable. This ban approved in my crappy state (Ohio) is POINTLESS.

Furthermore, letting gays marry will NOT lead to massive abnormal legal pairings or groupings such as polygamy or bestiality, any more than alcohol being legal has led to massive legalization of hard drugs like crack or heroin. While I don't see anything wrong with polygamy if consent and majority is present, those two factors are precisely why other forms of marriage will NEVER be legal. Dead people can't give consent. Minors can't give consent. Animals can't give consent. Inanimate objects can't give consent. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

However, it ISN'T ridiculous to argue that certain US citizens who work, pay taxes, engage in commerce, own businesses, serve their country, work in their communities, help others, give of themselves, etc., just like everyone else, should be allowed the same freedoms that everyone else has. How do you work the whole "fighting for your freedom" angle on the war in Iraq, for example, when gays don't have the same freedom?
 
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Nikk said:
That's funny!

Is it meant to be subtle and pro Kerry or is that just the way it seems to me?
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Richard believes that homosexuality is "disgusting" and displays a tremendous amount of juvenile hostility towards it.
 
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