Homeopathy regulation - quick question

[Asolepius]

I am just writing a short article in response to a hysterical homeopath, who states the following:

Anti homeopathy legislation brought into force said that homeopathic remedies were toxic. As a result certain remedies easily available in the UK were banned in France and many western countries. Including Canada.

This is all I have. Can anyone shed light on where this story came from?

 

[Professor Yaffle]

I have heard another homoeopathy supporter on this board (Procida, I think) state that certain homoeopathic remedies were banned in Canada. We then promptly found instances of these remedies being sold in Canada. I have no idea where this came from originally.

ETA - yes it was procida, in the echange beginning here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3153477#post3153477

 

[arthwollipot]

No idea, but it's as impossible for a homeopathic remedy to be toxic as it is for it to be beneficial.

Or, to put it another way, if it's toxic, it's not homeopathic.

 

[Asolepius]

No idea, but it's as impossible for a homeopathic remedy to be toxic as it is for it to be beneficial.

Or, to put it another way, if it's toxic, it's not homeopathic.

This is the point the original author is making, in order to ridicule the opposition to homeopathy by making it look illogical.

 

[arthwollipot]

This is the point the original author is making, in order to ridicule the opposition to homeopathy by making it look illogical.

Sorry, I don't understand.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

The source (the place where most homoeopaths got the "information" from) seems to have been an e-mail that was circulated widely last year called "Homeopathy is Bleeding to Death". I have no idea whether the author (Dr Manish Bhatia) just made up the "facts" within it, or whether there is a prior source.

After that there have been

[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]VERY SYSTEMATIC efforts to clip homeopathy [/FONT]from the corners. Look at the occurrences below:

1. Homeopathic Remedies were publicized as TOXIC! As a result Nosodes got banned in France and many western countries. You can not even buy Arsenic-alb, Nux-vom, and Opium in 30C or 200C in Canada, US and many other places ..because they are toxic! What a big joke! ​

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http://dcscience.net/?p=197
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[arthwollipot]

Well, it is a joke. I don't think water should be banned.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Here is something I found about some nosodes being banned in France:

http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/france.html

And here:

http://www.hpathy.com/interviews/frederikschroyens.asp

 

[Asolepius]

Sorry, I don't understand.

Sorry, I didn't make this very clear. They are saying that on the one hand products have been banned because they are toxic, while on the other the critics say hoemopathy is placebo - so how can toxic=placebo? Or something. I think the point may be that certain undiluted stocks are toxic and have been banned.

 

[Physiotherapist]

Think she must be talking about the Nosode remedies such as CARCINOSIN, TUBERCULINUM, SYPHYLINUM etc.

However, these remedies are easily obtainable by going to Helios homeopathic pharmacy in the UK.

www.helios.co.uk

 

[Baron Samedi]

The source (the place where most homoeopaths got the "information" from) seems to have been an e-mail that was circulated widely last year called "Homeopathy is Bleeding to Death". I have no idea whether the author (Dr Manish Bhatia) just made up the "facts" within it, or whether there is a prior source.

After that there have been
[FONT=Verdana,Verdana]VERY SYSTEMATIC efforts to clip homeopathy [/FONT]from the corners. Look at the occurrences below:

1. Homeopathic Remedies were publicized as TOXIC! As a result Nosodes got banned in France and many western countries. You can not even buy Arsenic-alb, Nux-vom, and Opium in 30C or 200C in Canada, US and many other places ..because they are toxic! What a big joke! ​

http://dcscience.net/?p=197
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Interesting. I did a search to find the full email, and I came across this as well.

http://www.hertshomeopaths.com/ArticleView.aspx?id=10

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]After that there have been VERY SYSTEMATIC efforts to clip homeopathy from the corners. Look at the occurrences below:[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1. Homeopathic Remedies were publicized as TOXIC! As a result Nosodes got banned in France and many western countries. You can not even buy Arsenic-alb, Nux-vom in Canada and Opium in US, even in 30C or 200C ..because they are toxic! What a big joke![/FONT]

Can you spot the difference? It took me a second. The wording and caps of TOXIC! are the same. The black one lists three items banned in the US and Canada in two specific quantities. The purple one lists 2 items in Canada and one in the US. The 30C and 200C is ambiguous, and probably attached to the opium. And perhaps it should be -- how are they to get their MT?

Just random thoughts on how sneaky these very small edits were.

 

[Blue Wode]

Could it have anything to do with the following?

Absinthe packs a double punch: a 70 per cent alcohol base combined with a potent mixture of herbal essences. Its most controversial ingredient is the wormwood derivative thujone, similar in molecular structure to the active component in pot. (The chemical is also found in vermouth, ravers' fave Vicks Vap-O-Rub and homeopathic remedies.)

According to Health Canada, ingesting high levels of thujone or chronic consumption of low levels can cause digestive problems, convulsions and delirium…

-snip-

Laying down the law

"From what I understand, absinthe is banned in Canada," Bouchard comments. "From what we know, Canadian law permits two parts thujone per billion (milliard) and the SAQ absolutely wants to follow what the government suggests."

Except that there has never been a ban on absinthe in this country. What's more, there are no specific guidelines that deal with the amounts of thujone acceptable under Canadian law.

More...
http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2001/012501/news6.html

 

[Asolepius]

The source (the place where most homoeopaths got the "information" from) seems to have been an e-mail that was circulated widely last year called "Homeopathy is Bleeding to Death". I have no idea whether the author (Dr Manish Bhatia) just made up the "facts" within it, or whether there is a prior source.
http://dcscience.net/?p=197
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This is odd, as the banned substances are not nosodes. Of course the Bhatia diatribe is well known and I have never been able to find the source for his ravings - probably there isn't any.

 

[arthwollipot]

Sorry, I didn't make this very clear. They are saying that on the one hand products have been banned because they are toxic, while on the other the critics say hoemopathy is placebo - so how can toxic=placebo? Or something. I think the point may be that certain undiluted stocks are toxic and have been banned.

So the homeopaths are objecting to the illogic of the anti-homeopaths? That's a bit rich.

Anyway, if they were declared as toxic, then there must be some substance which is toxic. Either the banned substances are not homeopathic, or they are banning the source substance (ie, the substance which is diluted to nothingness to make the homeopathic remedy).

Either way, it's a pretty lame attack.