Homeopathy Dare! Video

I had a bit of trouble understanding the audio, but I understand that a homeopath challenged Bowditch to take the pills. But if I remember correctly, don't at least some homeopaths say that you can never experience side effects or other negative consequences from taking homeopathic remedies (which to me seems like a tipoff that it's bogus)?
 
jimtron said:
But if I remember correctly, don't at least some homeopaths say that you can never experience side effects or other negative consequences from taking homeopathic remedies (which to me seems like a tipoff that it's bogus)?
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Not quite true. Most accept there are things they call agrivations.
 
jimtron said:
I had a bit of trouble understanding the audio, but I understand that a homeopath challenged Bowditch to take the pills. But if I remember correctly, don't at least some homeopaths say that you can never experience side effects or other negative consequences from taking homeopathic remedies (which to me seems like a tipoff that it's bogus)?
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Well, they are taught that you cannot overdose. A dosage can be tiny or huge, it makes no difference to the "effect". Which means they can make tiny little dosages in the form of pillules, and they are supposed to have the same effect as a bigger dose.

Which I think is silly, for the following reason: The main purpose of homeopathy is to sell remedy - that's where the money is. So it would follow that the faster the patient consumes it, the more can be sold to him/her in the same period of time. Which would suggest bigger doses would make the patient consume the product faster... Perhaps they should sell it by the demijohn! :)
 
Zep said:
Which I think is silly, for the following reason: The main purpose of homeopathy is to sell remedy - that's where the money is.
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Is it really that? I thought it was those hour-long repeated consultations.
 
If the amount you take makes no difference to the result then the best option is to take none. Just imagine thinking about taking pills cures the problem.

I think there is a problem with something. My logic is OK yet the conclusion is rubbish.
 
flume said:
Is it really that? I thought it was those hour-long repeated consultations.
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The top homeopaths do pretty on those but lower down the scale the £ per hour is not bad but not brilliant either.
 
If, as seems the case, the effectiveness of homeopathy is not related to the size of the dose (in that all doses are equally ineffective), then it makes sense to convince customers that they only need a tiny amount. It cuts down on the need for raw materials. (Where do homeopaths get their exotic mother tinctures, anyway?)

Maybe customers even like the approach. Maybe they think "hey, this guy must be on the level. If he was crooked, he'd be trying to sell me as much of this stuff as possible. I'm going to tell all my friends to see him".
 
flume said:
Is it really that? I thought it was those hour-long repeated consultations.
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...opening up more chances to sell dodgy remedies.

I think we have together conspired to cover all bases there! ;)
 
TheBoyPaj said:
If, as seems the case, the effectiveness of homeopathy is not related to the size of the dose (in that all doses are equally ineffective), then it makes sense to convince customers that they only need a tiny amount. It cuts down on the need for raw materials. (Where do homeopaths get their exotic mother tinctures, anyway?)

Maybe customers even like the approach. Maybe they think "hey, this guy must be on the level. If he was crooked, he'd be trying to sell me as much of this stuff as possible. I'm going to tell all my friends to see him".
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Then again, the raw material is water, or water/alcohol mix. Which is cheaper and easier to obtain than the little uncoloured hundreds-and-thousands sized sugar pillules.
 
We have hit something here. Give the patents a one hour consultation. Do not proscribe any medicine. Charge them a fortune for the consultation. If that does not work repeat consultation until it does work. If someone wants to go into a business and make a fortune and is reading this then that is one way to do it.

Hey is that what some medical specialists do now?
 
http://www.elixirs.com/products.cfm?productcode=U17

Belladonna is touted to have a wide range of effects.

And the site also contains.

Belladonna is from the Nightshade plant, through the process of dilution, homeopathic remedies no longer contain whole molecules and are safe for adults and children.
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What I can't figure out is why people would believe it would be worth taking if there aren't any molecules left to cause an effect??? Unless the writing of "no longer containing whole molecules" is there to indicate there might be half molecules left to cause an effect??

It still boggles my mind how stupid people can be. Yet I'M the idiot to question the "authority" of homeopath practitioners. Argh argh argh.

can't believe that Brauer site. And sCAMmers say that big pharma is against this sort of thing. Hey, this just shows everyone can make a buck off this stuff. I'm starting a home based business right now!!
 
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Eos of the Eons said:
Unless the writing of "no longer containing whole molecules" is there to indicate there might be half molecules left to cause an effect??
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Half a molecule of Belladonna isn't Belladonna anymore...

This just goes to show you how truly uninformed these people are. They have not grasped the single most important insight of the entire scientific enterprise: everything is sub-atomic particles.

The entire world is constructed from a handful of basic building blocks, each of which is as indistinguishable as a Lego block. The difference between you and your chair is a matter of arrangement of electromagnetic bonds. Nothing more.

They just don't get it. And when you do make them understand it, they reject it.
 
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To accept a modern scientific position means having to reject the very premises on which their whole homeopathic edifice is based. And since homeopathy is supported by faith, not fact, it's far easier to reject facts they don't like and not the faith.

In short, homeopathy is a religion, not medicine. Which describes it much better, including the regular fleecing of the flock.
 
Just a note that Peter looks very fit in this video, especially compared to the 2004 video Richard posted in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58297 .

He seems to be taking the doctor recommended changes to his lifestyle for diabetes seriously... changing his diet (something he referred to, he cannot take the Braur Insomnia Relief anymore because of the sugar in them).
 
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