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Homeopaths Accidentally Take Hallucinogenic Drugs at a Conference

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You probably shouldn't laugh at this. ;)

Twenty-nine overdoses but those effected seem to have recovered okay.

A homeopathy conference in Handeloh, Germany this past weekend was upended by the most unlikely of things — actual drugs.

According to the Independent, 29 conference attendees, both men and women ranging in age from 26 to 52, were believed to have taken a synthetic hallucinogenic drug known as 2C-E on Friday. The LSD-like drug, known as Aquarust in Germany, had recently been banned in the country last winter. And in the U.S. it's been listed as a schedule 1 drug since 2012, making it illegal to produce, distribute, or possess without a DEA license.

The authorities were apparently alerted by the attendees’ strange behavior at the hotel where the conference was held, which included “staggering around, rolling in a meadow, talking gibberish, and suffering severe cramps,” according to local media outlet NDR.

In total, over 150 medical and police staff were dispatched to the hotel to corral the hapless homeopaths to the hospital, where subsequent urine tests revealed the presence of 2C-E in their system. In addition to cramps, several attendees complained of delusions, breathing problems, and heart palpitations. None of the participants were able to coherently answer questions from the police until Monday.

http://www.alternet.org/print/drugs...e-hallucinogenic-drugs-conference-29-overdose
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The authorities were apparently alerted by the attendees’ strange behavior at the hotel where the conference was held, which included staggering around, rolling in a meadow, talking gibberish<snip>

...several attendees complained of delusions...
None of the participants were able to coherently answer questions <snip>
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SO pretty normal homepaths then
 
That seems like such a random drug to choose. Any word on whether or not they were poisoned?
 
Went looking to see if I could find any updates to the story and found this one published a few days later:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-drug-describes-scene-of-horror-10497113.html

The owner of a German convention centre where almost 30 delegates at an alternative medicine conference were hospitalised after taking a hallucinogenic drug has described the “scene of horror” as she found them screaming on the ground.
Stefka Weiland, manager of the Tanzheimat Inzmühlen in Handeloh, said that a week after the incident she was still “shocked to the core”.
German media had described how the 29 “Heilpraktikers” , including homeopaths and naturopaths, were found “staggering around, rolling in a meadow, talking gibberish and suffering severe cramps”.
Ms Weiland told NDR that she went to investigate what was happening after hearing “strange screams” and cries.
She arrived at the building where the “healers” had been holding their event to find them lying outside in the garden and in the street, with some writhing around and some unconscious.
Read more: Chaos after conference delegates take hallucinogen

“Naturally I called the emergency services and thankfully they got here quickly, because it was a scene of horror that I found here,” Ms Weiland added.
More than 150 medical staff, ambulances and police descended on the scene and took the delegates to hospital, where some were found to be seriously ill.
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Police have reportedly being interviewing the naturopaths but have not announced a possible cause for the mass overdose.
Ms Weiland believes that they had been “experimenting” after finding the ground littered with blood-stained needles, mattresses, cushions and blankets.
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ETA: there's also a conspiracy theory that somehow "big pharma" is behind this:

But some commentators on alternative medicine forums and websites have suggested that the group of Heilpraktikers were deliberately poisoned by a third party.
“Another attack on alternative medicine?” asked the headline on RealPharmacy.com, above an article claiming pharmaceutical companies were “at war with the alternative medical community”.
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It sounds like a poisoning to me. You wouldn't expect those kinds of reactions if people knew they were taking an hallucinogen and dosed it properly. I'd like to hear what the police find out.
 
marplots said:
It sounds like a poisoning to me. You wouldn't expect those kinds of reactions if people knew they were taking an hallucinogen and dosed it properly. I'd like to hear what the police find out.
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We're talking about homeopaths here. They "use" poisonous plants in many of their concoctions, and never dose anything correctly.
 
ehcks said:
We're talking about homeopaths here. They "use" poisonous plants in many of their concoctions, and never dose anything correctly.
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Well, someone made the 2C-E. That doesn't occur naturally (that I know of).

I bet (using homeopathic money, of course), it comes out that someone spiked the punch or whatever homeopaths like to eat/drink.
 
Was it an attack by Big Pharma?
Forgetting of course that the major manufacturers in the multi-billion dollar alternative medicine industry are all owned by the same people as the so called "big pharma" pay attention to what happened when the heil praktikers ("Klop!") were faced by an emergency. Did they call upon the services of their most senior colleagues and shun the assistance of big pharma or were they straight on the horn to bring in some mainstream medical assistance? Strangely enough homeopathic A&E didn't get a look-in did it? Turns out even on homeopaths on a bad trip aren't that deluded.
 
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Why didn't someone just dilute and succuss a miniscule amount 2C-E and give them that as an antidote? That should work, right?
 
Isn't LSD one of those chemicals that do work at homeopathic concentrations?

Perhps somebody poisoned them to try proving some kind of point.
 
marplots said:
Well, someone made the 2C-E. That doesn't occur naturally (that I know of).

I bet (using homeopathic money, of course), it comes out that someone spiked the punch or whatever homeopaths like to eat/drink.
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Obviously. The question is who and why.

This reminds me of an episode of Law & Order SVU where a woman was killed by being fed toxic South American mushrooms in her salad though I doubt the motive was homicide in this case.
 
casebro said:
Isn't LSD one of those chemicals that do work at homeopathic concentrations?

Perhps somebody poisoned them to try proving some kind of point.
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LSD has a threshold dose around 15 micrograms.

According to Shulgin, (page 517) the range of dose for 2C-E is 10 to 25 milligrams, so I'd guess that LSD is, by weight, about a thousand times more potent.

2C-E doesn't sound like a party drug, again according to Shulgin.
 
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casebro said:
Isn't LSD one of those chemicals that do work at homeopathic concentrations?
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No. LSD works at around 20 mcg ("works" as in has any effect whatsoever--it's supposedly barely noticeable at 20 mcgs). Homeopathic dillutuons don't necessarily contain *any* of the original substance in them, but when they do I beleive it would tend to be a lot less than 20 mcg. They ingested 2c-e, btw, not LSD.
 
cornsail said:
No. LSD works at around 20 mcg ("works" as in has any effect whatsoever--it's supposedly barely noticeable at 20 mcgs). Homeopathic dillutuons don't necessarily contain *any* of the original substance in them, but when they do I beleive it would tend to be a lot less than 20 mcg. They ingested 2c-e, btw, not LSD.
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So what would be the 20mcg dose in Homeopathic Notation? Or 20 mg of 2C-e?
 
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