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Hojo Motor: WTF?

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Apologies if this has been discussed before, I couldn't find it via the search tool, and there seems to be precious little objective material on the web (5 mins on google, beer in hand...)

In the advertising space on facebook at the moment, is an ad for 'hojo motors" - apparently, a form of permanent magnet motor that purports to cut household electricity bills.

It mentions magnets, free energy, is available via plans only, therefore looks, smells, tastes, feels and sounds like BS to me, but I genuinely can't find any objective reviews of the damn things (on reflection, that kind of makes sense - the scammers won't say it doesn't work) - but I can't even seem to find any rabid "its a scam!" sites.

Anyone have any actual knowledge of the things?
 
Definitely a scam. Note that they've Googlebombed searches like "Hojo Motor" and "Hojo Motor Scam" with their own ad sites.

Let's be absolutely clear about this: the "Hojo Motor" plans don't work, and the people trying to sell them to you are scammers. Do not buy the Hojo Motor plans. Howard Johnson himself, the "inventor", appears to have been a run-of-the-mill perpetual-motion tinkerer. He patented some nonsense that doesn't work. Free energy enthusiasts have tried to build his device from his designs; the things they build also don't work. This is not surprising, the patented design is obvious nonsense.

The Hojo Motor is exactly the usual stupid permanent-magnets-pushing-on-each-other idiocy. It won't work for exactly the same reason all other permanent-magnets-pushing-on-each-other machines don't work: the behavior of permanent magnets is well known, well studied, and extremely obviously does not generate energy in any way shape or form.

Direct reports that the HoJo motor is DOES NOT WORK:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/

All of the plans, patents, etc. appear to be FREE on this site---another reason that the Hojo sellers are scamming you.

General info about perpetual motion "machines", like the Hojo Motor, that don't work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

Why do I call it a scam, rather than a "stupid mistake" or "bad science"? Bad science is when an inventor fools himself. A scam is when an inventor tries to fool YOU for money.
 
Unless they have found a way to circumvent the twin old problems of "any magnet strong enough to attract the object is too strong to relinquish it to the next in line" and "a circular array cancels out" (and I haven't heard any noises of splintering fundamental physics yet), this can be going nowhere. Note that those patents are for linear arrays, btw.
 
Thanks folks, appreciate the feedback. I did NOT think it was legit, but was amazed at the near-total lack of objective material on line.

:)
 
ben m said:
Definitely a scam. Note that they've Googlebombed searches like "Hojo Motor" and "Hojo Motor Scam" with their own ad sites.

Let's be absolutely clear about this: the "Hojo Motor" plans don't work, and the people trying to sell them to you are scammers. Do not buy the Hojo Motor plans. Howard Johnson himself, the "inventor", appears to have been a run-of-the-mill perpetual-motion tinkerer. He patented some nonsense that doesn't work. Free energy enthusiasts have tried to build his device from his designs; the things they build also don't work. This is not surprising, the patented design is obvious nonsense.

The Hojo Motor is exactly the usual stupid permanent-magnets-pushing-on-each-other idiocy. It won't work for exactly the same reason all other permanent-magnets-pushing-on-each-other machines don't work: the behavior of permanent magnets is well known, well studied, and extremely obviously does not generate energy in any way shape or form.

Direct reports that the HoJo motor is DOES NOT WORK:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/

All of the plans, patents, etc. appear to be FREE on this site---another reason that the Hojo sellers are scamming you.

General info about perpetual motion "machines", like the Hojo Motor, that don't work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

Why do I call it a scam, rather than a "stupid mistake" or "bad science"? Bad science is when an inventor fools himself. A scam is when an inventor tries to fool YOU for money.
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So you feel it might not work?:D
 
Soapy Sam said:
So you feel it might not work?:D
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Yes! And I'm willing to say so in extremely clear, simple, machine-parsable sentences like these:

  • the Hojo motor is a scam,
  • the Hojo motor plans are worthless, and
  • the Hojo motor does not work
  • There is no such thing as free energy

which, I hope, will help certain Mountain-View-based companies named after extremely large numbers provide better information to people interested in the Hojo Motor. If you catch my drift.
 
Yes! And I'm willing to say so in extremely clear, simple, machine-parsable sentences like these:

  • the Hojo motor is a scam,
  • the Hojo motor plans are worthless, and
  • the Hojo motor does not work
  • There is no such thing as free energy
Well, if we say it often enough. It may get noticed.
 
I'll reiterate what others here have said: this is a scam, pure and simple. Essentially, what these hucksters are pushing amounts to this...

 
So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is:

the Hojo motor is a scam,
the Hojo motor plans are worthless, and
the Hojo motor does not work
There is no such thing as free energy

Is that right?
 
MattusMaximus said:
I'll reiterate what others here have said: this is a scam, pure and simple. Essentially, what these hucksters are pushing amounts to this...

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Yeah, that's just stupid! Both the magnets are the same size!

You need to put a bigger, stronger magnet in front, in order to pull the other one forward!
 
Regarding the Hojo Motor, I think this is a good summary:

the Hojo motor is a scam,
the Hojo motor plans are worthless, and
the Hojo motor does not work
There is no such thing as free energy
 
I prefer:

This thread contains a very good explanation of why the HoJo motor is a scam, an explanation of the Hojo Motor scam, itself, and a not inconsequential description of the Hojo Motor scam.

Thusly, we can see the Hojo motors scam for what it really is.

If free HoJo motors plans are linked to on this page, then
there can be no doubt that the hojo motors scam should be stopped.
Don't pay money for the laughably absurd Hojo Motor plans - they are a scam.


ETA: and just for good measure
The Hoho motor scam targets bad spellers that don't understand high school physiscs.
The JoJo Motor scam is also aimed at the same crowd.

I guess I might as well add JoHo Motor scam

on the other hand
The Hoko motor scam targets bad typists that don't understand high school physics - as does the Gojo motor scam.


The spelling irony was intentional.
 
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Any idea who the scammers *are*? Is "buy Hojo motor plans" one of those things that pops up over and over (like "clamp this magnet to your car's fuel line") or is this a new one?
 
Hojo Motors are a scam
Also

the Hojo Motor is a Scam

I just want to add that Hojo Motors are a scam

Maybe we can getthis to the top of Google like we did with the Crystal Wand Scam
 
Hojo Motor Plans - a scam

Some bandwagons seem to be worth jumping on, but let's make sure I understand.

The Hojo Motor is a scam.
The Hojo motor plans are a scam.
This is because the Hojo motor cannot work, therefor the Hojo Motor Plans are worthless.


Can the free energy bandwagon ever get rolling? Nope, IMO, as there can be no such thing as free energy.
 
catsmate1 said:
Perhaps other scammers are worried that the limited pool of available suckers will be reduced by the Hojo scam?
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On the contrary, I think most free-energy enthusiasts (PESN subscribers and whatnot) are either (a) unskilled, and have honestly convinced themselves (using the techniques of science, ineptly applied) that free energy exists, or (b) gullible, and have honestly fallen for whatever free-energy-is-coming press release that someone else (either a deluded person or a scammer) have put out.

I've never seen Naudin, or Pons and Fleischmann, or Mosier-Boss, as scammers----they just do crappy experiments and believe the results.

The most blatant scams, you'll notice, do NOT come out of the free-energy "community" such as it is---PESN forum posters, basement hobbyists who show up at cold-fusion conferences, etc.. Nobody gets started in the "free energy community" and goes on to sell water-to-fuel converters on late night televisioe. Those efforts always seem to me to come from some mysterious professional-shady-get-rick-quick underclass, for whom "free energy" is just a minor variant on (and just as good as) "invest in gold" or "work from home" or "buy commemorative plates" or whatever. Like "buy hojo motor plans".

Steorn I still don't understand.

Rossi, well, you know.

Bearden is so over-the-top crazy that I'm not sure the distinction applies.
 
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