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Highflyertoo: dream application

Jackalgirl

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Hi, Highflyertoo, and welcome to the Forum.

I saw your post in the Ganzfield thread and thought I'd start a thread for your challenge as a means of welcoming you. I thought also that I would give you some advice, which I hope you don't mind. Please remember that no one here (except for RemieV or Jeff Wagg) works for the JREF in the capacity of administering the Challenge, so we can only offer just that -- advice:

1) Read the rules. Read them again. Then a third time. Print out a copy, read each rule, and when you're done, initial at the end of each rule to indicate that you're pretty sure you understand it and also understand that you have to follow it. Feel free to ask questions about specific rules, but understand that the chances of any of them being bent or modified for you in any way are vanishingly small.

2) Make sure that you come up with a simple, coherent statement of your ability (the claim) and a short proposal regarding how you think it should be tested. Remember that the results have to be self-evident; you can't ask that someone judge whether or not the test was successful.

3) Try to think of all of the alternate, normal explanations for what you are doing and figure out a way to control for them (that is, that your test is designed in such a way that those things can't be happening).

You are facing an especial difficulty because you seem to be talking about prophetic dreams. Understand that you can't post-dict (that is, point out how accurate your dream was for some event that has already happened). Also, your predictions are going to have to be specific and not something that is obvious or easy to find out or likely to happen anyway. For example:

"There will be unrest in the Middle East." Duh, so it's not a good prediction.
"James Randi will suffer heart-related health issues." This has already happened, and Mr. Randi is not a young man, so it's not unlikely that something like this will happen again.
"A hurricane will hit the Gulf Coast during storm season this year" Again, not at all unlikely given past information.
"A large earthquake will strike the West Coast" Pretty likely.

Specific predictions would be something like "an earthquake of magnitude 6.5 on the Richter Scale will strike California, with its epicenter 2.6 miles south of the center of the San Andreas fault, at a depth of 5 miles, on Febuary 20, 2009." That might be a bit too accurate (but very impressive if you could do it!) but you get the idea.

No open-ended predictions. "There will be a riot in Chicago" <-- not good. "There will be a riot in Chicago on May 14th" <-- better

If you are capable of doing things beyond simple prediction, please let us know. For example, if you can see -- via your dream -- the contents of a locked box, that would be a very simple test to do.

Lastly, remember that you're going to need to establish media presence and secure academic affidavits before you apply. All that stuff is in the rules.

Again, welcome to the Forum! I look forward to a more specific description of what you can do!
 
I hope to try for the supernatural challenge within the next few months or so . ( my many dreams have been narrowed down ) .
I am not an academic person , yet have had alot of dreams that have come true to my understanding . My dreams have been repeating themselves for quite sometime . The dreams reveals that I attain the ability to move objects by looking at then and moving objects into mid air by motioning with my hands .:jaw-dropp . I have been future seeing for the last 30 years .

I only joined today and hope I am on the correct thread .

I moved this from the other thread ...

Well, an ability to move objects by looking at them or manipulating them with a wave of the hand once they are airborne should be easy enough to test. (Preferably if it works for non-magnetic, non-conducting materials. The heavier, the better)
 
I moved this from the other thread ...

Well, an ability to move objects by looking at them or manipulating them with a wave of the hand once they are airborne should be easy enough to test. (Preferably if it works for non-magnetic, non-conducting materials. The heavier, the better)

Ooops! I completely missed that. Oh yes, that would be much easier to test than prophesy, depending on exactly what you claim to be able to move under what limitations.

Let me clarify by means of an example: Karen Sellers claimed telekinesis, in that she could cause a key suspended inside a jar to move.

The problem was that she had to be touching the surface on which the jar sat, and the surface appeared to have to be something that could be jiggled (in this case, a table). She could not, for example, move the key if the jar was on the floor and she was touching the floor.

Mundane explanation: she was rocking back and forth or otherwise jiggling the table, perhaps subconsciously, so this caused the key to rock.

So, to rule this out, JREF asked her to set up two jars and move the key in one, but not the other.

She wasn't able to do it.

Now, this does not rule out the possibility that she is genuinely telekinetic in a very specific way (with an inability to pick discrete targets). However, she was not able to rule out the mundane hypothesis either.

So you'll need to come up with a similar kind of experiment. What can you move? Light stuff? Heavy stuff? Both? Can you move it without waving your hands? If you set up two of whatever it is that you can move right next to one another, can you move one and not the other? Does it work if those things are enclosed in a terrarium or jar? (By all of this we are trying to rule out mundane stuff, such as: air currents from your breath or hands moving light stuff, air currents in general setting the things in motion, etc.)

Looking forward to reading more from you!
 
highflyertoo doesn't actually claim telekinesis though, only that it is revealed in a dream that at some indeterminate time in the future s/he will attain this power.
 
highflyertoo doesn't actually claim telekinesis though, only that it is revealed in a dream that at some indeterminate time in the future s/he will attain this power.

Indeed.

But it would be easier to test and if this ability should manifest it before the end of the challenge it would interesting to see an application for it. But of course we'll have to see what claims will be made.
 
I tried to reply to a comment and could n't . I did the quote and I think it was sent to the Bulletin Board . It took me 10 mins to write , too tired to do it again .

Could some tell how to reply to your posts ? Thanks :)
 
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LOL . Looked and seen the word reply . ROFL

To think i can see the future at times , and yet couldn't see the word reply to respond to your post . Now that won't do my credilbility any good . lol
 
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I am able to move '' CUPS '' and cutlery and chairs and tables into mid air while facing the desired objects with my eyes and or hands .
 
I am able to move '' CUPS '' and cutlery and chairs and tables into mid air while facing the desired objects with my eyes and or hands .

You are able to do this already, or think you will be in the future?

If you can already do this, I would really recommend that you use this as your claim: It seems to be a lot easier to test and verify than dream-predictions would be.

I think it would be helpful if you could answer these questions:

How large and heavy can objects be that you can move that way? Does the size and weight influence your ability? (i.e. can you move a light object heigher or for longer than a heavier one?)

For how long and how heigh can you move the mentioned objects?

Is there anything significant about the materials? (Do they all contain metals, e.g. Does it matter what the material is?)

How far away can you be from the objects? Does it work better or worse depending on distance?

And can there be anything between you and the object, most notably, would it still work if the object was behind glass?
 
Rasmus . In my dreams of the future , I am seeing my self in the future moving cups ( earthenware ) , chairs and tables ( wood and metal ) and a couch into mid air with supernatural power .

Five years ago i dreamed of this house that I am NOW living in ( been here now for seven months ) . Because of certain things that have already taken place in my previous dreams , I'm estimating that I will acquire this ability in the next few months , not long to happen .
 
No I don't . I have dreams of the fututre only . My dreams dreams give me an awareness of what events are to come in my life .

I did see toys move own their own accord when I was between the ages of 10 and thirteen .

My birth place is on the east coast of Scotland , Edinburgh .
 
Have any of your dreams identified a future event that would be publicised in the news?
 
Several and more . Yet I can't disclose the information due to Global panic that would arise . Yet the Globe will view me when I become public . It is not normal to move object by mind power . People will try to kill me . I have dreamed it many times about different people of different races trying to silence me , yet they don't succeed .
 
Several and more . Yet I can't disclose the information due to Global panic that would arise . Yet the Globe will view me when I become public . It is not normal to move object by mind power . People will try to kill me . I have dreamed it many times about different people of different races trying to silence me , yet they don't succeed .

What you're looking for - if you're wanting to find something solid for the Million Dollar Challenge - is a specific prediction. It has to be something that is very clear, that doesn't require someone to decide that an event that has occurred fits the bill. No judgements, no decisions -- it has to be really obvious.

Plus, there needs to be a deadline. The event you predict has to occur before (date) or the test is considered a failure. I am 99.999% certain that JREF will not accept an open-ended prophesy.

It has to be something that you're willing to divulge, obviously. I am 99.9999% certain that the JREF will not entertain a claim that says "I can do x, but can't demonstrate it due to the fact that attempts would be made on my life/Global panic would ensue/etc."

Do you have any predictions that fit?
 
Are you planning to apply for the Million Dollar Challenge?
Yes it is my current intention to apply for the Challenge in the near future when I am equipped with supernatural power to succeed .

I too dislike and hate Sylvia Browne for here robbing of peoples hope and money , She should be isolated from society , so I like James' approach to debunking fraudsters of the supernatural , yet there is alot that James Randi does not know about the real supernatural .
Messiah's God willing then James Randi and Jeff Wagg shall live and see the amazimg :)
 
What you're looking for - if you're wanting to find something solid for the Million Dollar Challenge - is a specific prediction. It has to be something that is very clear, that doesn't require someone to decide that an event that has occurred fits the bill. No judgements, no decisions -- it has to be really obvious.

Plus, there needs to be a deadline. The event you predict has to occur before (date) or the test is considered a failure. I am 99.999% certain that JREF will not accept an open-ended prophesy.

It has to be something that you're willing to divulge, obviously. I am 99.9999% certain that the JREF will not entertain a claim that says "I can do x, but can't demonstrate it due to the fact that attempts would be made on my life/Global panic would ensue/etc."

Do you have any predictions that fit?
I only have to show the rule makers of the Challenge of me doing the supernatural . For example , moving a small object across a table or flipping a page over without the use of the surrounding air .
As for the others things I made it clear what would unfold .

When I lodge my application then I will specify what I shall do . Start off small and then go big :)
 

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