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Herman Cain, not afraid to look stupid AND hypocritical in the same article

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--Last week, Cain, who is Christian, referred to the planned Murfreesboro mosque as an "infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"--

The cherry on the ignorance cake?

--"Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. Islam combines church and state," Cain said Sunday. "They're objecting to the fact that Islam is both a religion and a set of laws," Cain said of the opponents.--

I'm glad America doesn't have a religion with incredible popularity and power, that is always trying to impose it's holy rules as law of the land. I'm sure Cain would fight strenuously against such a thing.
 
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Jekyll's Guest said:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/herman-cain-backs-mosque-bans-152052930.html

--Last week, Cain, who is Christian, referred to the planned Murfreesboro mosque as an "infringement and an abuse of our freedom of religion"--
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Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)
 
I Am The Scum said:
But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?
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I suppose it is easy to entertain both beliefs if you are batcrap crazy with a good dollop of superstitious.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Can someone explain to me what this means?
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Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing.
 
johnny karate said:
Yeah, I never understood this nonsensical refrain from right wing crybabies either. Apparently, anyone who has the audacity to not be like them is "infringing on their rights" by merely existing.
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The United States of Christ. Love it or leave it.

I don't know how Cain did at running a pizza chain, but as a politician and human being, he's a miserable failure.
 
Has anyone here ever had a Godfather's Pizza? I never have. Why would a black guy call his pizza joint "Godfather's" anyway? Wouldn't that be like an Italian guy calling his place "Brutha's"?
 
I like the Herman Cain story. It pulled focus from the serious Republican candidates, made their entire party look even loonier, and hopefully it will force some of them to verbalize some sort of support for the concept of religious freedom.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)
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Easy... when someone you hate does something - ANYTHING, really - that is perfectly within his rights, it´s both an abuse and an infringement of your - no, EVERY honest American Patriot´s - rights.

Welcome to the US, bastion of freedom and democracy.
 
TheNooch said:
Has anyone here ever had a Godfather's Pizza? I never have. Why would a black guy call his pizza joint "Godfather's" anyway? Wouldn't that be like an Italian guy calling his place "Brutha's"?
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Godfather's was founded in 1973. Cain was hired in 1986.

I used to eat there in high school. I remember liking it alright, but then I didn't know what good pizza tasted like.
 
Why is he talking about the murfreesboro mosque anyway? isn't that last year's topic du jour?
 
Haven't heard this angle before; which tells me either the Islamophobic sect of American politics is becoming more desperate or more intelligent in that they at least tried to make a legal-sounding argument that very-likely will confuse a few people ignorant of US laws. In particular the "keep the gubmint out of my medicare" crowd.
 
hgc said:
Godfather's was founded in 1973. Cain was hired in 1986.

I used to eat there in high school. I remember liking it alright, but then I didn't know what good pizza tasted like.
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Yeah I see that now. I'll give him some props on the Burger King gig, they actually make a pretty decent burger. I wonder if he was instrumental in their decision to go with that "Flamed Broiled" idea, in my opinion, that's why their burgers are good, like Carl's Jr.

Personally I think this Cain dude is getting paid to play the part of Token. The Koch brother's might see this as a cunning plan.

/now I want a burger
//and fries
 
I Am The Scum said:
Can someone explain to me what this means? Typically when one claims a right is being "abused," it is another way of saying that someone is using it to go farther than they should. For example, it is often said that the Westboro Baptist Church "abuses" their right to free speech.

But when there is an infringement of a right, it is not that it is being used too much, but that the ability to use the right is being restricted. Throwing Fred Phelps in jail for saying mean things is an infringement of his right to free speech.

These two things are very much in conflict. How can they both exist simultaneously?

(This post was not meant to start a discussion on Fred Phelps)
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Yes they can both exist simultaneously. It all comes down to where your tolerance lies, and tolerance doesn't necessarily reflect rationalizations like yours perfectly =P
 
hgc said:
The United States of Christ. Love it or leave it.

I don't know how Cain did at running a pizza chain, but as a politician and human being, he's a miserable failure.
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From what I hear from old-timers (pre Cain's involvement in Politics) Godfather's used to be the best of the pizza chains. After Cain took over they cut corners on their ingredients and the quality of food went way down.
 
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