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Herman Cain leads by 20 points!

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Latest poll, today, Zogby.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles...y-zogby-poll-republican-presidential-race.htm

"Herman Cain holds an astounding 20-point lead over Mitt Romney in a poll of Republican primary voters released Thursday,"

"The Zogby Poll, which was conducted from Oct. 3-5, found that 38 percent of Republicans would vote for Cain, a Georgia businessman, if the primary elections were held today. Mitt Romney had 18 percent support, and Rick Perry and Ron Paul were tied with 12 percent support each."

"The rest of the candidates were in the low single digits, with Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman claiming 4 percent support each, Michele Bachmann 3 percent, Rick Santorum one percent and Gary Johnson less than one percent."
 
JudeBrando said:
Latest poll, today, Zogby.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles...y-zogby-poll-republican-presidential-race.htm

"Herman Cain holds an astounding 20-point lead over Mitt Romney in a poll of Republican primary voters released Thursday,"

"The Zogby Poll, which was conducted from Oct. 3-5, found that 38 percent of Republicans would vote for Cain, a Georgia businessman, if the primary elections were held today. Mitt Romney had 18 percent support, and Rick Perry and Ron Paul were tied with 12 percent support each."

"The rest of the candidates were in the low single digits, with Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman claiming 4 percent support each, Michele Bachmann 3 percent, Rick Santorum one percent and Gary Johnson less than one percent."
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Cain might raise Cain right up to the point where it matters. Then, it's Romney.
 
It will be hilarious if Romney doesn't win the nomination. He's obviously the most qualified. I could understand it though. His conservative "credentials" aren't that great. On the other hand, he's the only guy they have running that can get over 10% support in polls and is qualified to be President.
 
Romney is probably the only one of those whackadoodles who doesn't make moderate swing voters want to hide under a rock until it is all over.

I hope Cain does get the nomination and picks wussy boy Cantor as his running mate.

Those things you hear falling are voting blocks falling away from the GOP.
 
So this thread should be titled:

"Coulter: If not Christie;Romney;Not Romney;Cain;Wrong;Perry;Lose;Where Am I"?
 
mhaze said:
It'd certainly be a great drama to see the enthusiastic, cheerful Cain up against the sour, arrogant Obama.

Bring it on.

On, and for the benefit of anyone still mumbling Democratic demagoguery:

Watch that black vote slip, slip sliding away.

And for those poor troubled sourls still in love with Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91euERWH2M4&feature=related
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Cain just published a book whose title ends with 'my road to the white house' even though he hasn't even garnered the nomination of his party yet but it's Obama who's arrogant?

And before you go off on ALL the ways you think Obama is arrogant, note that it doesn't really matter, because that wouldn't make Cain not arrogant.
 
mhaze said:
It'd certainly be a great drama to see the enthusiastic, cheerful Cain up against the sour, arrogant Obama.
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Sour? I don't see it. Totally unprepared for the reality of an oppositional Congress, sure. He was inexperienced, and now he's less inexperienced.

I really don't want someone with no experience in politics to be president.

Is there a precedent for this?
 
Minoosh said:
Sour? I don't see it. Totally unprepared for the reality of an oppositional Congress, sure. He was inexperienced, and now he's less inexperienced.

I really don't want someone with no experience in politics to be president.

Is there a precedent for this?
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Yeah: electing a mediocre, has-been actor president.
 
Herman Cain leads IN ONLINE POLL by 20 points!

IBOPE Zogby International conducted an online survey of 1,581 voters. A sampling of IBOPE Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the U.S., was invited to participate. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, gender and education to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 2.5 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups. The MOE calculation is for sampling error only.

IBOPE Zogby International also conducted an online survey of 796 likely Republican primary voters. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points.
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'Cuz we all know how accurate on-line polls are. Just look at how the on line polls accurately predicted the upset when Ron Paul was nominated in 2008. Can't argue with that.

Meanwhile, Jude, back in the real world no other poll has Cain with more than 17%.

Any statisticians out there? Is the Zogby methodology the strangest thing I've ever heard of, or am I imagining things? They don't really poll, but they have a panel of (I guess) volunteers to be polled and they select who to ask the questions of? Zogby are those guys who'll word questions any way you want them to, I believe.
 
JudeBrando said:
Latest poll, today, Zogby.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles...y-zogby-poll-republican-presidential-race.htm

"Herman Cain holds an astounding 20-point lead over Mitt Romney in a poll of Republican primary voters released Thursday,"

"The Zogby Poll, which was conducted from Oct. 3-5, found that 38 percent of Republicans would vote for Cain, a Georgia businessman, if the primary elections were held today. Mitt Romney had 18 percent support, and Rick Perry and Ron Paul were tied with 12 percent support each."

"The rest of the candidates were in the low single digits, with Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman claiming 4 percent support each, Michele Bachmann 3 percent, Rick Santorum one percent and Gary Johnson less than one percent."
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Who are this "newspaper". They don't even get their basic facts straight.

And so Cain surged from the back of the field to the first tier. First, a Fox News poll showed him in third place, behind Romney and Perry. Then, on Tuesday, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed him tied with Romney for first place.
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Not true. The Post-ABC poll had him tied for second with Perry, well behind Romney.



Schiermeyer attributed the difference between the Zogby results and the results of other recent polls to the fact that Zogby polled only "self-identified likely Republican voters." Some polls include Republicans who may not be likely to vote, or both Republicans and independents, which leads to different numbers.
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More nonsense. First of all, if Indepents can vote in a primary, then you'd want to include them in a poll for accuracy, you dolts! And secondly, anyone who follows polls knows that they list their poll base as "Registered Voters" or "Likely Voters". Is the clown from Zogby, who they don't even question, saying that his "Likely Republican Voters" are different from "Likely Voters"?

Methinks the IBT is a Herman Cain stalking horse. Here's a snip from the front page of their US Edition. In the box with 2012 election news, 5 out of the 8 articles feature Cain in the title, even when he isn't a player in the article.
Herman Cain For President: Former Godfather's Pizza CEO Writes for Conservative Birther Site

The Rise of Herman Cain, The Fall of Rick Perry

Rick Perry Raises $17 Million, But Herman Cain Making Charge

Sarah Palin Will Not Run for President, Is Devoted to God: Official Announcement

Herman Cain Tells 'Occupy Wall' Street Protesters They Only Have Themselves to Blame [VIDEO]

Herman Cain and Rick Perry Now Tied; Former Frontrunner Sinking Fast

Chris Christie for President: Not Born to Run?

Bachmann Missed Every House Vote in September, 58 Percent Since July
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Foolmewunz said:
'Cuz we all know how accurate on-line polls are. Just look at how the on line polls accurately predicted the upset when Ron Paul was nominated in 2008. Can't argue with that.

Meanwhile, Jude, back in the real world no other poll has Cain with more than 17%.

Any statisticians out there? Is the Zogby methodology the strangest thing I've ever heard of, or am I imagining things? They don't really poll, but they have a panel of (I guess) volunteers to be polled and they select who to ask the questions of? Zogby are those guys who'll word questions any way you want them to, I believe.
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These posts conjure images of die hard Lefties whistling past the graveyard.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Any statisticians out there? Is the Zogby methodology the strangest thing I've ever heard of, or am I imagining things? They don't really poll, but they have a panel of (I guess) volunteers to be polled and they select who to ask the questions of? Zogby are those guys who'll word questions any way you want them to, I believe.
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It's not necessarily strange. You could pre-select a representative sample and use that for later polling. Theoretically it could work. You can also select randomly within groups to ensure you have a proper amount of certain demographics (e.g. by religion, ethnicity, or whatever, though if there's overlap in the groups that can be tricky).

Zogby is usually pretty reliable. However, if their little online panel poll doesn't remotely resemble other polls, then they probably have a problem with the panel. Edit: There's also the problem with an online poll of representing people without internet access and probably reduced access to people with only dial-up. Almost everyone has a phone, but there are still significant numbers that don't have internet and more that have poor connections. That could throw the poll off too.

I'd be shocked if Cain got nominated. I don't think the average Republican would think he was qualified to be POTUS. Then again, the more extreme elements of the GOP have been coming to the fore in the last 4 years, so perhaps they won't go with a pragmatic choice.

Honestly, seems like Romney is the only guy they got.
 
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