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Haunted Place

jambo372

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A friend of mine has a sister who does a new part time job as a cleaner in a children's leisure facility. It was originally an old church but has long since been converted into a play area for toddlers with slides, ball pits etc.

Anyway this is the basic details ...
The place has 3 floors, you get the feeling of a nasty energy on the top floor which is now a mirror maze for children. You feel someone is watching you.

Nothing happens during the day when the place is in business, but poltergeist activity occurs in the evening when only the last of the staff are present and about to lock up and go home.

When her sister was cleaning up before closing, she heard noises. She was scared out of the wits and started talking to the manageress of the building who said that it was haunted. She explained that she had worked in the facility for years and strange things have always happened in the building. It was not uncommon for the lights to turn on after they'd been switched off and vice versa. On a few occasions she turned off the music and speakers before leaving and got ready to go home, just as she reached the front door the music started playing by itself. The place is old and stinks of dampness. She became worried and told of how she'd had a medium in to inspect the premises a few years ago. The medium said there were 2 spirit children upstairs in the maze and a biker who had decided to haunt the building because he felt he had passed on at 'too young' an age. The electricity, plumbing etc is fine.

Any 'normal' explanation for this ?
 
Yeah, her sister is a practical joker.

It fits all the facts as presented anyhow.
 
jambo372 said:
A friend of mine has a sister who does a new part time job as a cleaner in a children's leisure facility. It was originally an old church but has long since been converted into a play area for toddlers with slides, ball pits etc.

Anyway this is the basic details ...
The place has 3 floors, you get the feeling of a nasty energy on the top floor which is now a mirror maze for children. You feel someone is watching you.

Nothing happens during the day when the place is in business, but poltergeist activity occurs in the evening when only the last of the staff are present and about to lock up and go home.

When her sister was cleaning up before closing, she heard noises. She was scared out of the wits and started talking to the manageress of the building who said that it was haunted. She explained that she had worked in the facility for years and strange things have always happened in the building. It was not uncommon for the lights to turn on after they'd been switched off and vice versa. On a few occasions she turned off the music and speakers before leaving and got ready to go home, just as she reached the front door the music started playing by itself. The place is old and stinks of dampness. She became worried and told of how she'd had a medium in to inspect the premises a few years ago. The medium said there were 2 spirit children upstairs in the maze and a biker who had decided to haunt the building because he felt he had passed on at 'too young' an age. The electricity, plumbing etc is fine.

Any 'normal' explanation for this ?
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The place is old and stinks of dampness, yet the electricity and plumbing is fine? If the place stinks of dampness it's probably due to the fact that the place is... wait for it... damp.

If the place is damp then the electricity is not fine.

As far as the "medium" who inspected the premises...

bring in another medium, and I'm sure you'll get a whole other story about the spirits who infest the place. Matter of fact... if you bring in ten mediums, I'm sure you'll get ten different stories.
 
jambo372 said:
The medium said there were 2 spirit children upstairs in the maze and a biker who had decided to haunt the building because he felt he had passed on at 'too young' an age.
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And we know the medium is right rather than:

(1) "I'm a highly impressionable person. You told me about the ghosts and yes, I can sense them (hallucinates or takes fantasy for fact)."

(2) "This is rubbish, but you're paying me for doing this, I really don't sense any ghosts of any description, but yes, yes, let me tell you about the ghosts. My fee is..."
 
The people from the electric board said the power and wiring was fine.
The medium took no payment.
 
jambo372 said:
The people from the electric board said the power and wiring was fine.
The medium took no payment.
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Electronic equipment, electrical switches, lighting fixtures, etc... will often malfunction in damp environments, even if the power and wiring is otherwise fine.

My kid's electronic toys are always whirring, buzzing, and singing down in my damp basement... ya' think the ghosts are playing with them?

So... mediums can only be deluded if you pay them? :confused:
 
I once experienced a similar haunting in my grandfather's house:

I walked into the dining room and sensed his presence. I could hear him cough or mutter to himself like he always did. There were little creaks like cupboard doors opening and closing, and faint hint of rattling silverware. I even smelled the familiar aroma of his favorite coffee!

It might have been a more spectacular haunting had Grampa actually been dead and not just getting himself breakfast while my back was turned, but it was still really eerie.
 
Jambo what is it about you that refuses to accept the most likely explanation (damp, people forgetting to turn thing off etc.) preferring to jump straight to the most unlikely explanation (ghosts exist and choose to communicate with the living by turning on audio equipment)?

And it's also highly suspicious that, athough these stories come to you second and thirdhand you always seem so certain of things - for example what the electricity board said.

You really are the most credulous person on these boards (unless this is all an elaborate prank in which case... no that's just too sad).

The 'normal' explanation? The medium was making stuff up.

Well go on, stick your fingers in yours ears, scrunch your eyes shut and say "No, no, no!" while shaking your head furiously.
 
The likely explanation - she forgot to turn it off.
That's not possible, it wouldn't have went on, on it's own if she hadn't switched it off - it would have already been on.

Dampness may explain some but not all of the weird things.

The 'normal' explanation ? The medium was making stuff up.
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Of course, typical sceptic's approach, blame the medium.
Even if the medium was lying (they had no reason to do so), the actual poltergeist activity remains unexplained.
 
jambo372 said:
Even if the medium was lying (they had no reason to do so)
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Other than to perpetuate beliefs whose continued existence will keep them from having to get a real job?

Helpful hint: Mediums who don't find spirit activity don't get called back for the paying gigs.
 
jambo372 said:
The likely explanation - she forgot to turn it off.
That's not possible, it wouldn't have went on, on it's own if she hadn't switched it off - it would have already been on.
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I dont know how many times I have been so wrapped up in one thing, reading, cooking etc. that I totally block out other background noises, music, TV, etc.

When I am snapped back to "reality" so to speak, I wonder either A. how did that get on, even though I turned it on before getting distracted, or B. How long has this show been on.

What we are probably missing, is that she was in a rush that particualr night to get out, and blocked out the music, until she was just about to leave.

At least, that would be my theory, but since I am just a "closes minded sceptic", I am probably wrong.
 
Jambo,is there nothing you've ever experienced or known about that isnt paranormal related? Jeez your life must be a whole encyclopedia of bulls*it:D
 
Cthulhu
That could happen once or twice with the music, but it has happened on several different occasions.

She'd certainly know if the lights were on or off.

Quinn
For the last time - the medium gave services absolutely free of charge.
 
jambo372 said:
Cthulhu
That could happen once or twice with the music, but it has happened on several different occasions.
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What is several? 5? 6? 2? 3?

Kind of a grey area there.
 
First hand accounts? Perhaps I can help ….

My Grandmother was a medium (yes one of those people, you skeptic guys intensely dislike :D ). But to me, she was (and probably still is in spirit) my humble, kind old grandmother, certainly not a hoaxer or attention seeker type, she was happiest making tea for people and looking after children ....she never performed as a medium for money .. never performed publicly…..

She used to fall asleep, sometimes unaware and spirits with completely different personality, tone of voice and vocabulary spoke through her. Seldom could she recall immediately afterwards what was said. (On other occasions she could vaguely)

One of the times I was present to observe this phenomena the spirit person said our grandmother Kate was there (this person, my other grandmother, was in the spirit world) she said she was very worried about her son Robert (my uncle on earth) and to get in contact as soon as possible .......we did phone as soon as possible ..... my uncle had just had a completely unexpected heart attack and had been rushed into hospital .... no one in the family knew ....... remember this is the other side of the family there was no direct contact with my grandmother (and my mother had spent the whole day with her) nor would they have been any reason to phoned her house to contact us.

Very lucky coincidence? Personally I don’t think so.

To save time .... let me save some skeptics the effort of replying ……........

Skeptic conclusion 1 - 'You are a liar open mind'

Skeptic conclusion 2 - 'Your grandmother was a liar'

Skeptic conclusion 3 – ‘This is not beyond chance, any cold reader cold have done the same’

Skeptic conclusion 4 - 'Your grandmother poisoned your uncle by mail'

Skeptic conclusion 5 – ‘I don't believe it, because she would have entered Randi's Prize if genuine'

Skeptic conclusion 6 - ' Was this replicated in trials and published for peer review? If not, no evidence, it didn't happen'

Skeptic conclusion 7 - 'Open mind, it’s just false memory syndrome you imagined it, only CSICOP psychologists have perfect memory recall'

:D

No offense to my skeptic friends :) (Skeptic have a good sense of humour? Good) …….. my personal evidence is not yours, nor should it be …. ‘Convince a man against his will, he is of the same opinion still’

I do agree with you guys on one thing, the debate should be over evidence in controlled conditions … so I look forward to debating with you guys over the scientific evidence for PSI (as new research gets published).

Until then ……

:xnewyear
 
I think you forgot:

Skeptic conclusion 8 - Coincidence (oh I forgot, you don't think so)

Skeptic conclusion 9 - She made many incorrect predictions but the few that were correct are remembered

Skeptic conclusion 10 - The prediction was much vaguer in reality but the story has become (consciously or unconsciously) embellished with repeated tellings


Personally I would never dream of calling your grandmother a liar. That would be rude.
 
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