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Has Boris gone yet?

True, but then he's currently only leader of the Conservative Party, he becomes PM, barring an extremely amusing developement, tomorrow.
 
Question is how long can he last.If he really does try to be Trump, junior, he might hand Labor a victory in spite of Labor's ineptness.
 
dudalb said:
Question is how long can he last.If he really does try to be Trump, junior, he might hand Labor a victory in spite of Labor's ineptness.
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And sooner rather than later.

Already Boris has lost an implied vote of confidence in his government, and that was before he became PM. If enough Tories resign, Labour may be able to force a vote of No Confidence in the government, which should lead immediately to another general election. UK Labour are a bunch of complete squabbling klutzes, but they are better than the Tories right now. Which might mean Boris would barely have had time to take off his shoes in Number 10 to make a pot of tea before he gets to leave again.
 
He will resign when Parliament refuses Hard Brexit in October.
 
Norman Alexander said:
And sooner rather than later.

Already Boris has lost an implied vote of confidence in his government, and that was before he became PM. If enough Tories resign, Labour may be able to force a vote of No Confidence in the government, which should lead immediately to another general election. UK Labour are a bunch of complete squabbling klutzes, but they are better than the Tories right now. Which might mean Boris would barely have had time to take off his shoes in Number 10 to make a pot of tea before he gets to leave again.
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I disagree. Nigel Farage has offered to enter an electoral pact with the Conservatives, so he is clearly worried that a Conservative Party under Boris, before 31 October will attract the support of most of the Brexit Party. The Conservative Party and Brexit Party could get 40% of the vote between them, if the Conservatives get 30%+ they could have a huge majority.....


....if the Remain vote is split. Right now, Labour is saying that if they win the next election, they will pursue Brexit (on their terms). I don't think that many potential Labour supporters and Remain supporters appreciate that and so while many Remainers might switch to the LibDems, some might persevere with Labour, splitting the Remain vote 25%/20% which could result in very few seats for either party.


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The above only applies to England and Wales. Scotland could easily see the SNP sweep the board and Norn Iron will do its own thing as usual.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
And sooner rather than later.

Already Boris has lost an implied vote of confidence in his government, and that was before he became PM. If enough Tories resign, Labour may be able to force a vote of No Confidence in the government, which should lead immediately to another general election. UK Labour are a bunch of complete squabbling klutzes, but they are better than the Tories right now. Which might mean Boris would barely have had time to take off his shoes in Number 10 to make a pot of tea before he gets to leave again.
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I don't think any MPs have resigned. Only cabinet ministers. So that doesn't affect the VONC maths at all. They will still support BJ in that.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I don't think any MPs have resigned. Only cabinet ministers. So that doesn't affect the VONC maths at all. They will still support BJ in that.
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Give it a few weeks and his majority in the HoC will be down one (by-election next week which the Lib Dems are expected to win from the Tories + the MP who has just been charged with sexual offenses and had the whip removed).

On top of that, I saw a DUP MP remark that Johnson becoming PM meant the confidence & supply would enter phase 2 and would thus have to be renegotiated. How much can Johnson and shake the magic money tree and keep the DUP on side?

Some of the cabinet ministers who have resigned haven't exactly ruled out voting against Johnson in a VONC, if it becomes the only way to stop a no-deal brexit, so there's that to keep in mind as well.
 
With the most recent announcement that pubs, restaurants ought to close, but aren't being forced to, it's tempting to think such knavery or perhaps it's foolishness, would mean Johnson's coat is on that proverbial shaky nail. I suspect we'll have to suffer him for some time yet.
 
commandlinegamer said:
With the most recent announcement that pubs, restaurants ought to close, but aren't being forced to, it's tempting to think such knavery or perhaps it's foolishness, would mean Johnson's coat is on that proverbial shaky nail. I suspect we'll have to suffer him for some time yet.
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Boris';s problem is he is really not the beloved in the Tory party, and if it goes south with the Corona VIrus it could be vote of no confidence time.
 
dudalb said:
Boris';s problem is he is really not the beloved in the Tory party, and if it goes south with the Corona VIrus it could be vote of no confidence time.
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I don't know, Boris has 'misshaps' that would have ended another career on a weekly basis and has had for decades but somehow the mud never sticks. Like Trump it doesn't matter how blatant and public his mistakes are, his supporters will watch him do something and then turn around and say they don't believe it.
 
Trebuchet said:
Most expectations seem to be that he'll narrowly survive.
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Yes. He might but with so many resignations, it would take a pretty shameless individual to carry on with almost half his MPs declaring no confidence in you. And Boris is the type of person so shameless that he might celebrate by snorting coke off the despatch box at PM Question Time, strip naked and streak through the Royal Parks to Buckingham Palace safe in the knowledge that he can get away with illegal stuff and everyone will have forgotten by the time the next vote of no confidence is eligible.
 
plague311 said:
No idea why that made me laugh so hard.

Any more predictions on what the outcome is going to be? Not wants, actual expectations :p
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I posted earlier that he might win so narrowly that he'll be shamed into resignation. That idea, as was pointed out, was just silly. He doesn't know what shame is.

I reckon he'll get 65% of the votes and carry on in triumph. Hope I'm wrong and he gets a good slap in the face from Tory MPs.
 
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