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Hamas 'implicitly accepts Israel'

good news...although the possible imminent resumption of full-blown hostilities might be a stumbling block.....:)
 
good news...although the possible imminent resumption of full-blown hostilities might be a stumbling block.....:)
I think you may have that backwards - it may have been the threat of a good kicking that made Hamas concede this.

Still, it's potentially a promising step.
 
As I said in another thread, the correct title of this document is "PLO explicitly calls for israel's destruction by stages and explicitly endorses terrorism".

It merely calls for the killing of jews "only" in the territories, and that they will agree to take a state in the territories NOW, while explcitly retaining their "right" to enact the "right of return" (of millions of Palestinians into israel to destroy it) at any time they choose. Nor does the document so much as mentions israel's right to exist (it doesn't) or peace (it doesn't).

It's merely the "Stage Plan" for israel's destruction, unchanged from 1974.

So, now, let the bidding start:

How much--in territory, loss of international legitimacy, aid to the PA, etc.--is israel going to pay for this magnanimous decision by the Palestinians to only destroy it by stages?
 
don't worry about it, skeptic ---

It looks like haniyeh will be getting a dirt nap (along with his buddies in crime, Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud a-Zahar and Interior Minister Said Sayam) if anything happens to IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit.

No referendum will be held after their funerals are finished.
 
don't worry about it, skeptic ---

It looks like haniyeh will be getting a dirt nap (along with his buddies in crime, Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud a-Zahar and Interior Minister Said Sayam) if anything happens to IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit.

No referendum will be held after their funerals are finished.

I hope you're correct, of course, but don't count on it.
 
The headline yesterday was interesting: "Hamas, Fatah reach compromise on attacks against israel".

--"OK, Abdullah, you take Mondays, Wednesday, and Fridays..."

OK, I stole this from the WSJ, but still... folks, this is the "peace" partner israel has: they agreed to only attack and kill jewish women and children SOMETIMES, in SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, FOR THE TIME BEING.

And yet some people say they aren't moderate, for some reason. A tiny minority of extremists even thinks that if the Palestinians actually want peace, a starting condition is to stop killing jews.

Have you heard such nonsense in your life? Shame on you, extremists!
 
Thanks - Do you know if the link is to the final draft of the document, the one that is being referred to in the article?
 
BTW, there is no such thing as 'implicitly recognizing' --

either you declare your acceptance and recognition of the legitimacy of the State of Israel or you don't.

HAMAS already 'implicitly recognizes' Israel, in the preamble to their Charter.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
 
Darat, I saw nothing in the BBC report indicating that anything had been changed in the original document.
 
BTW, there is no such thing as 'implicitly recognizing' --

...snip...

Of course there is, for instance I am certain the UK does not have a document that explicitly states we recognise every single nation of the planet yet it would be fair to state that we implicitly recognise nations even ones we don't mention in such a document.

HAMAS already 'implicitly recognizes' Israel, in the preamble to their Charter.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

That is a very unusual way to interpret the term "implicitly recognises", indeed the statement you quote implicitly doesn't recognise Israel's right to exist!
 
That is a very unusual way to interpret the term "implicitly recognises", indeed the statement you quote implicitly doesn't recognise Israel's right to exist!

The point webfusion is making, Darat, is while there can be imlicit recognition that someone exists, there can be no such thing as implicit recognition that he has a right to exist.

By the way, there is something completely morally repulsive about the whole bruahahaha here.

If I refused to recognize that you have the right to exist, would you worry? Would you consider it a reasonable demand that you negotiate with me--you give me money or land or your wife, I recognize you have a "right to exist"? Of course not, since your right to exist does not depend on me, and you have it regardless of what I think, and thus I have no right to demand anything in return for such a "recognition".

Same here. Even if the recognition of israel's right to exist was explicit and sincere, why on earth would israel require or demand such a thing? It assumes that israel only has a right to exist on the Arabs' leave. Even if one accepts that whether israel does (or will) exist or not depends on the result of the Arabs' actions, israel's RIGHT to exist is not due to the Arab world's willingness or lack thereof.

The Arab world, giving israel the "right to exist", gives nothing at all that was its to give in the first place. All the more so when the "recognition" is nothing more than an obvious insinsere ploy to get more land for further jew-killing.
 
The point webfusion is making, Darat, is while there can be imlicit recognition that someone exists, there can be no such thing as implicit recognition that he has a right to exist.

...snip...

Of course there can be. I live in a country that has does not have a written constitution yet I have implicitly many rights, including the right to life.
 
...yet I have implicitly many rights, including the right to life.

just curious, does that included a fetus? [/end derail]



Jihad Khaled al-Batsh, a senior Islamic Jihad official, said the group would issue a statement later detailing its final position.
Islamic Jihad does not envision the 1949 Rhodes lines as being acceptable for the borders of any future 'New Palestine' State.
Nor does HAMAS, if the truth be told!
 
Well.... it would be true that you cannot destroy something unless you at least recognize it exists....
 

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