mummymonkey
Did you spill my pint?
Halal Meat
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I really enjoyed the meals when I worked for a Muslim institution. The staff in the canteen there made a big effort to keep it Halal, even reading carefully and noting products that had the ingredients listed in flavourings, checking that they weren't serving haram food. But the final end-of-year dinner, held at a restaurant in the city that was which claimed it was Halal..... sold beer. Quite embarrassing for all involved.
FireGarden
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Blood is forbidden as food in verse [5:3]. I'm not sure why. But there's a similiar thing in the dietary laws of Jews. I mention that because I saw a program once where a guy working at a Jewish bakery or restuarant or some-such had to check all the eggs to see if they were contaminated by blood. When told that the eggs could not have been fertilised, he agreed that the odds of finding blood in them was very small, but the eggs had to be checked anyway.
And the reason I mention that is because, in embryology debates with Muslims, when you tell people about Galen's observations when studying the development of chicks in eggs (first stage: clear sticky liquid. Second stage: blood - matching the first stages given in the Koran) they ask "But who could possibly have told Mohammed about that." As well as pointing out that some Arab doctors were trained in places were Greek works were translated, you can point out that the Jews knew you can find blood in eggs. I'm sure it was common knowledge before modern farming practice. And consequently, studying eggs must have been an obvious idea to anybody wishing to study embryology.
Kiless
When I was at uni in London, they served Halal meals. They were the most popular meals, even amongst non-Muslims!
I'm not sure that alcohol is in the same category as pork. I looked up alcohol in the index to the translation of the Koran by NJ Dawood.
While verse [4:43] tells believers not to pray when drunk, it doesn't actually tell them not to drink. And [16:67], follows a section where God tells us that he sustains us by sending rain, and that he provided milk for us to drink. And that he gave us bees, from whose bellies we get honey! But 16:67 itself reads
[16:67] And the fruits of the palm and the vine, from which you derive intoxicants and wholesome food. Surely in this there is a sign for men of understanding. [NJ Dawood]
So alcohol is listed amongst water, milk and honey. And wine (a non-intoxicating version) will be provided in heaven according to [83:22]
On the other side of the argument we have
[2:219] They ask you about drinking and gambling, Say: "There is great harm in both, though they have some benefit to men; but their harm is far greater than their benefit." [Translation by NJ Dawood]
[5:90] Believers, wine and games of chance, idols and divining arrows are abominations devised by Satan. Avoid them, so that you may prosper. [NJ Dawood]
I assume "believers" is used as a from of address, not part of the list! Butnever the less, it would make a good sig.
And the reason I mention that is because, in embryology debates with Muslims, when you tell people about Galen's observations when studying the development of chicks in eggs (first stage: clear sticky liquid. Second stage: blood - matching the first stages given in the Koran) they ask "But who could possibly have told Mohammed about that." As well as pointing out that some Arab doctors were trained in places were Greek works were translated, you can point out that the Jews knew you can find blood in eggs. I'm sure it was common knowledge before modern farming practice. And consequently, studying eggs must have been an obvious idea to anybody wishing to study embryology.
Kiless
When I was at uni in London, they served Halal meals. They were the most popular meals, even amongst non-Muslims!
I'm not sure that alcohol is in the same category as pork. I looked up alcohol in the index to the translation of the Koran by NJ Dawood.
While verse [4:43] tells believers not to pray when drunk, it doesn't actually tell them not to drink. And [16:67], follows a section where God tells us that he sustains us by sending rain, and that he provided milk for us to drink. And that he gave us bees, from whose bellies we get honey! But 16:67 itself reads
[16:67] And the fruits of the palm and the vine, from which you derive intoxicants and wholesome food. Surely in this there is a sign for men of understanding. [NJ Dawood]
So alcohol is listed amongst water, milk and honey. And wine (a non-intoxicating version) will be provided in heaven according to [83:22]
On the other side of the argument we have
[2:219] They ask you about drinking and gambling, Say: "There is great harm in both, though they have some benefit to men; but their harm is far greater than their benefit." [Translation by NJ Dawood]
[5:90] Believers, wine and games of chance, idols and divining arrows are abominations devised by Satan. Avoid them, so that you may prosper. [NJ Dawood]
I assume "believers" is used as a from of address, not part of the list! Butnever the less, it would make a good sig.