GWB, the better terror fighter?

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Ive haerd alot of people say that theyll vote for Bush cause hes experienced in figting terror, or he'll do a better job.

The assumption is that a democrat cant/wont fight terror. I think this is silly. First off who is really experienced at fighting terror. Prior to 911 no one thought much about it. So if Bush is doing such a good job, then hes doingthat despite not having experience. Couldnt you then say that an unexperienced Dem can do the same.

As for Not fighting terror??? Terror is one of the biggest issues, any politician is going to have a terrorism policy.
 
Tmy said:
As for Not fighting terror??? Terror is one of the biggest issues, any politician is going to have a terrorism policy.
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I haven’t heard any of them Dem. candidates talk that much about fighting terrorism, just the tired platitudes about healthcare and "education". *YAWN*
 
Many political leaders have learned that a crisis is often their best tool at keeping in power because when there is a crisis, people tend to look for a strong leader to deal with it.

When there is not a state of crisis, then the people tend to prefer a person who leads more by consensus.

Thus, one should not be surprised when Bush takes advantage of public concerns and fears in order to justify his re-election.
 
Speaking of tired platitudes...

the Administration's rhetoric on "terror" should fall into that catagory.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Speaking of tired platitudes...

the Administration's rhetoric on "terror" should fall into that catagory.
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Pay no attention to headscratcher.

STAY FRIGHTENED SH**LESS AT ALL TIMES!!
 
The Republican fight against terror:

Attack the guy who embarrassed daddy!
 
The problem with Kerry is that he we don't know how he will deal with america's foreign interests based on his voting record.

Whereas you would feel comfortable with Joe Lieberman in charge during a crisis, how would you honestly feel with John Kerry?

Its not the Bush is the "bettter" terror fighter. Its that Bush has a record.

He said that terrorists and the states that sponsor terrorism would go down.
-Taliban, check
-Iraq Baath Party, check
-Philipines, being supported
-Libya, turning over nukes
-Iran, more open negotiation than ever
-Syria, inroads being made, hezbollah offices being shut down
-Saudi Arabia, high ranking folks pointed out, most of them dead

Bush has a track record now of being tough on states that sponsor terror and helping support states that combat terror.

Simply put, Republicans will play a FUD campaign on Kerry. FUD= Fear Uncertainty Doubt. The only person to blame is the issue however is Kerry. Look at Joe Lieberman, he has never mixed words on fighting terrorism. Kerry has opened himself up to this attack by talking in vague language about police action and such.
 
Good points, Corplinx.

As a Massachusetts resident, I've always found Kerry to be kind of useless. You never hear his name around here unless he's running for something.

Bush may have a record on terrorism, but I can't say much of what he's done has been done right.

I'm willing to give anyone else a chance.
 
To my mind, the worse thing that can be said about GWB is that he has made the rest of America look and feel that much more like Texas. Now he wants the world to look like Texas. Ugh.
 
corplinx said:

Kerry has opened himself up to this attack by talking in vague language about police action and such.
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Like a walking UN. One can only imagine how Kerry would have handled the aftermath of 9/11. (shudder) A still-lingering debate about the culpability of OBL is not out of the question. Undoubtedly we'd at least have gotten a stirring speech on the need to "bring the culprits to justice". :dio:

-z
 
rikzilla said:


Like a walking UN. One can only imagine how Kerry would have handled the aftermath of 9/11. (shudder) A still-lingering debate about the culpability of OBL is not out of the question. Undoubtedly we'd at least have gotten a stirring speech on the need to "bring the culprits to justice". :dio:

-z
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I don't like to speculate on how people would have reacted to 9/11. You can't prove how they would have reacted so I don't think its a legitimate area for skeptical inquiry.
 
corplinx said:


I don't like to speculate on how people would have reacted to 9/11. You can't prove how they would have reacted so I don't think its a legitimate area for skeptical inquiry.
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Who said this was about skeptical inquiry? I merely wondered out loud, then supplied an answer based on what I've learned about Kerry's character. When we wonder what kind of President Kerry would make, we often end up in a WWJD kind of mental exercise. There's nothing wrong with that....not even here.

Kerry is currently running for the Presidency of the US. "Skeptical inquiry" doesn't help much here. The topic is "politics"...and as such it involves our individual subjective ideas and biases to form our answer to the question: "Who will be the best President?"

-z
 
Tmy said:
Ive haerd alot of people say that theyll vote for Bush cause hes experienced in figting terror, or he'll do a better job.

The assumption is that a democrat cant/wont fight terror. I think this is silly. First off who is really experienced at fighting terror. Prior to 911 no one thought much about it. So if Bush is doing such a good job, then hes doingthat despite not having experience. Couldnt you then say that an unexperienced Dem can do the same.

As for Not fighting terror??? Terror is one of the biggest issues, any politician is going to have a terrorism policy.
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Well, here's some pertinent info on John Kerry's past as relates to war-fighting.

The record shows that Kerry opposed the key weapons systems vital to American victory in the war against terrorists and state sponsors of terrorism: the B-2 stealth bomber, the Tomahawk cruise missile, the Apache helicopter, the M-1 Abrams tank, a wide range of fighter jets and other combat aircraft.

Kerry's voting record also shows he opposed the Patriot missile defense system, and voted nine times against a missile defense system to protect American citizens from missile attack. He voted six times in the past decade to freeze or reduce spending on defense. And he voted to allow our country's enemies to buy dual-use technology to build high-tech weapons.

According to the Times, "for the most part, Mr. Kerry has failed to address many of his Senate votes on defense and intelligence matters."
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THE LINK

Sounds to me that JFK will be the enemy's best friend if we foolishly elect him.

-z
 
Are you talking about the Patriot missle system that had at most a 10% hit rate in the first Gulf War and shot down 2 collition planes and would have shot down 3 more if allowed to fire its missles in the current war?
 
Missed Opportunity
Officials: Bush Administration Was Slow to Approve Drones to Kill Bin Laden

By Ted Bridis and John Solomon
The Associated Press


W A S H I N G T O N, June 24— When President Bush took office in January 2001, the White House was told that Predator drones had recently spotted Osama bin Laden as many as three times and officials were urged to arm the unmanned planes with missiles to kill the al Qaeda leader.
But the administration failed to get drones back into the Afghan skies until after the Sept. 11 attacks later that year, current and former U.S. officials say.

Top administration officials discussed the mission to kill bin Laden as late as one week before the suicide attacks on New York and Washington, but they had not yet resolved a debate over whether the CIA or Pentagon should operate the armed Predators and whether the missiles would be sufficiently lethal, officials told The Associated Press.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/worl...ator030624.html

(CBS) Of all the places in the United States that you'd think would be prepared to defend against a terrorist attack, the nine nuclear weapons factories and research labs - operated by the Department of Energy - would be at the top of the list.

But a recent investigation by the government's General Accounting Office found that the Department of Energy may not be up to the task – and that security at these sites is inadequate.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain599957.shtml

The only bump in the polls he gets is because of the natural reaction of a group to an outgroup threat.
 
Re: Re: GWB, the better terror fighter?

rikzilla said:


Sounds to me that JFK will be the enemy's best friend if we foolishly elect him.

-z
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Nothing like hyperbole and slurs to enrich the national dialogue and decrease the polarization.
Disclaim the intent, the result is the same.
 
Tmy said:
Ive haerd alot of people say that theyll vote for Bush cause hes experienced in figting terror, or he'll do a better job.

The assumption is that a democrat cant/wont fight terror. I think this is silly. First off who is really experienced at fighting terror. Prior to 911 no one thought much about it. So if Bush is doing such a good job, then hes doingthat despite not having experience. Couldnt you then say that an unexperienced Dem can do the same.

As for Not fighting terror??? Terror is one of the biggest issues, any politician is going to have a terrorism policy.
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You have a good point.

Still if I had to choose between Kerry and Bush as it relates to fighting terror I would pick Bush. No he didn't have experience prior to 911 but he does now.
 
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RandFan said:
You have a good point.

Still if I had to choose between Kerry and Bush as it relates to fighting terror I would pick Bush. No he didn't have experience prior to 911 but he does now.
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Yep, he sure has almost defeated a country that had nothing to do with the attack.

And he sure decimated the coutry where the guy who was behind the attack was hiding, without catching him.

And he sure helped ◊◊◊◊ up the U.S. economy on the way.
 
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Evolver said:

And he sure helped ◊◊◊◊ up the U.S. economy on the way.
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Either you're lying or your pig ignorant. Which is it?
 
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