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Good guy with a gun actually stops mass shooting.

Meadmaker said:
It doesn't happen often, but it seems to have happened this time:

(For those not wanting to click, man walks into restaurant and starts shooting. Civilian with handgun kills shooter.)

Developing story.
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Sounds like he was shot after the fact and was not stopped from mass shooting as the title states. I guess assuming he was leaving the bar to further shoot up the rest of the world, he might have been stopped from a new spate of shootings.
 
Not a whole lot of information yet but from what there is it sounds like he didn't so much stop the shooting as stopped him from getting away. He killed the guy after he was done and on his way out in the parking lot. It's possible he stopped him from continuing elsewhere.

(looks like someone already said pretty much the same thing while I was typing)
 
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Cayvmann2 said:
Sounds like he was shot after the fact and was not stopped from mass shooting as the title states. I guess assuming he was leaving the bar to further shoot up the rest of the world, he might have been stopped from a new spate of shootings.
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That's the "developing story" part.

I read a few articles so far about this, and they each paint a somewhat different picture. I first saw some "on the scene" news coverage, and they described a "good Samaritan" who saved lives. Later articles describe things differently.

It does appear that he had fired shots, then left the restaurant, then was confronted and, after a brief verbal encounter, killed. No motive or identity yet.
 
Meadmaker said:
That's the "developing story" part.

I read a few articles so far about this, and they each paint a somewhat different picture. I first saw some "on the scene" news coverage, and they described a "good Samaritan" who saved lives. Later articles describe things differently.

It does appear that he had fired shots, then left the restaurant, then was confronted and, after a brief verbal encounter, killed. No motive or identity yet.
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If that's what happened, then maybe the guy will be charged.
 
Anybody hear the words? Did he leave a manifesto? Were there more guns/ammo in his car?
 
If I encounter a guy who just shot a bunch of people and I can stop him, I'm not going to ask "Are you through yet?". I'm stopping him.

And it's also apparent that the shooter wasn't very good at it, as none of his victims died. Maybe he was just practicing for another shooting.
 
casebro said:
Anybody hear the words? Did he leave a manifesto? Were there more guns/ammo in his car?
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The words in the confrontation? They were variations on "Drop the gun, now!" He didn't. That didn't turn out well for him.

One report I read said that the gunman was never inside the restaurant. He was near some trees, shooting people at the entrance to the restaurant.

Developing story.
 
Apparently two guys with guns didn't stop any mass shooting, but they did shoot and kill the first shooter after the mass shooting.
To me it seems that the victims might have been better off if the first shooter hadn't had a gun.
 
dann said:
Apparently two guys with guns didn't stop any mass shooting, but they did shoot and kill the first shooter after the mass shooting.
To me it seems that the victims might have been better off if the first shooter hadn't had a gun.
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Heretic!!
 
I wonder what Oklahoma's laws are on Citizens Arrest?

Some places it is totally legal to place a culprit under citizens arrest if you saw a felon committed. Then shoot him for trying to escape? :D Anyway, that would make it legal to arm yourself and confront him, attempting to do a citizen's duty. And if he wants to commit suicide by citizen, oblige him.
 
casebro said:
I wonder what Oklahoma's laws are on Citizens Arrest?

Some places it is totally legal to place a culprit under citizens arrest if you saw a felon committed. Then shoot him for trying to escape? :D Anyway, that would make it legal to arm yourself and confront him, attempting to do a citizen's duty. And if he wants to commit suicide by citizen, oblige him.
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Shoot his knees out. Let him eat his own gun.........
 
dann said:
Apparently two guys with guns didn't stop any mass shooting, but they did shoot and kill the first shooter after the mass shooting.
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So if someone were arriving late to the scene, they'd see two shooters shooting someone, and draw out their gun to shoot them, to prevent more shootings! Unfortunately Lydia, who is always late to everything, arrives at just that moment, and shoots that guy. The old man looking out his window was too slow to see all the prior shootings, so he only sees Lydia shooting, and that's why he shoots her. The police, finally arriving, see all the dead bodies and what seems to be sniper in the window, and shoot him. And that one's okay because it's the police doing it, and also the last guy was black so they get away with it.
 
From the OP link:
The gun rights group also used their tweet to send a message to Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin, who vetoed a bill that would have eliminated the requirement for people to have completed a firearms training course in order to carry guns in public. The NRA supported the proposed bill, but the Republican governor, who has supported concealed carry and open carry laws in the past, vetoed it.
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Well there you go, good guy with a gun and 20 years experience in the National Guard including a tour in Afghanistan stops a shooter. Gun groups use the event to try to get a law removed that simply requires people complete a firearms training course in order to have guns in public.

Here's the thing, I'm glad someone was there to stop this guy. I'm glad no one got shot because they were mistaken for the shooter. We'll never rid this country of guns and that's fine, why shoot for the Moon when all you have is a model rocket?

What I'm not fine with is so much resistance to gun regulations that the NRA and/or their members think requiring a firearms training course for gun owners is too much regulation.
 
It's not the first time but doesn't fit a popular narrative.

Does it happen in every instance, obviously not. Does it happen? absolutely.
 
BStrong said:
It's not the first time but doesn't fit a popular narrative.

Does it happen in every instance, obviously not. Does it happen? absolutely.
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I don't think anyone's ever claimed that it never happens. But it certainly doesn't happen nearly often enough to justify using it as an excuse to avoid strengthening gun control laws.
 
TragicMonkey said:
So if someone were arriving late to the scene, they'd see two shooters shooting someone, and draw out their gun to shoot them, to prevent more shootings! Unfortunately Lydia, who is always late to everything, arrives at just that moment, and shoots that guy. The old man looking out his window was too slow to see all the prior shootings, so he only sees Lydia shooting, and that's why he shoots her. The police, finally arriving, see all the dead bodies and what seems to be sniper in the window, and shoot him. And that one's okay because it's the police doing it, and also the last guy was black so they get away with it.
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Funny how it never happens that way. With so many people walking around armed it bothers you this odd situation I always hear never actually happens.
 
sadhatter said:
Funny how it never happens that way. With so many people walking around armed it bothers you this odd situation I always hear never actually happens.
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Oh, it doesn't "bother" me at all. I think the whole point of having a civilization is so everyone can live in fear and walk around armed at all times, just waiting to shoot somebody. Isn't that what progress is all about?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Oh, it doesn't "bother" me at all. I think the whole point of having a civilization is so everyone can live in fear and walk around armed at all times, just waiting to shoot somebody. Isn't that what progress is all about?
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And American progress, because guns equal Freedom, and Freedom equals guns. We'll all be so much freer when everyone can have and carry (or at least purchase) a gun.


Think of how safer (I mean free.) our schools would be if the students were armed. That bullied emo wouldn't be able to even draw his gun. :wackyerr:
 
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