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God's Omnipotence

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BJQ87 said:
Can God create an object to heavy for him to lift? Yes. Then can God lift it? Yes. But God does not do such a thing, he has the ability to do it, but he does not.

So then you ask how I could know God won't change the laws of logic? How could I know that God won't break promises, sin, cause himself not to exist?

Is not breaking his promises a limitation to power? no. Is not being able to sin a limitation to power? no. Is not being able to not exist a limitation to power? no.

On the other hand, it is my limitation of power to have the ability to break promises, sin, and not exist.
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So, how can one maintain consistency, in every single last detail, without the explicit power to do so?
 
Iacchus said:
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So, how can one maintain consistency, in every single last detail, without the explicit power to do so?
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...which is circularly inferred from maintaining consistency.

Not to mention, you beg the question by making up the attributes to begin with! What if I defined your god as puny and impotent, but consistently so? You could make the same claims of consistency and the power to be that way then, too...

Sheesh...
 
Mercutio said:
...which is circularly inferred from maintaining consistency.

Not to mention, you beg the question by making up the attributes to begin with! What if I defined your god as puny and impotent, but consistently so? You could make the same claims of consistency and the power to be that way then, too...

Sheesh...
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Well, what does omnipotency suggest to you then? Shouldn't it be circularly defined if, it were to maintain power over all things? It all comes from the same place does it not?
 
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I think I must be more thick than I thought.

Not only do I not understand what he's trying to say, I also can't understand some of the words he's trying to use in the context they're placed in.

Is it just me?
 
3point14 said:
I think I must be more thick than I thought.

Not only do I not understand what he's trying to say, I also can't understand some of the words he's trying to use in the context they're placed in.

Is it just me?
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If one has the power to maintain everything that one says, with nothing to stand in contrast to it, how can one not be omnipotent in that regard?
 
3point14 said:
I think I must be more thick than I thought.

Not only do I not understand what he's trying to say, I also can't understand some of the words he's trying to use in the context they're placed in.

Is it just me?
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Monkey fish toaster? Mayo lichen fish man key funny dwive.
 
Iacchus said:
Well, what does omnipotency suggest to you then? Shouldn't it be circularly defined if, it were to maintain power over all things?
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Err. No. Omni = all. Potency = power. Omnipotency = all-powerful.

If an explanation is circular then you haven't defined anything.
 
Mercutio said:
No. Your circular definition renders it meaningless. It is not a definition at all.
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Yes, and perhaps you should begin to speak in terms of wholeness, instead of the scatter-brained philosophy you propose? Are you at all familiar with the story of Humpty Dumpty?
 
3point14 said:
I think I must be more thick than I thought.

Not only do I not understand what he's trying to say, I also can't understand some of the words he's trying to use in the context they're placed in.

Is it just me?
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No you are not alone. Iacchus is the sort of person who attempts to use confusion to make himself or herself feel intelligent and worthwhile. At the core they know there is no arguement and thus they try even harder to confuse and use all sorts of backward logic. I have found it is best to just pretend that Iacchus is the result of a mother-to-be consuming large quantities of alcohol and go on with my reading.
 
Iacchus said:
If one has the power to maintain everything that one says, with nothing to stand in contrast to it, how can one not be omnipotent in that regard?
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Because they still might not have ALL powers!

There's a guy who's all alone on Neptune, and he has the power to maintain everything he says, as long as he doesn't say anything he knows isn't true. I guess he must be omnipotent too.
 
What he says:

Iacchus said:
Yes, and perhaps you should begin to speak in terms of wholeness, instead of the scatter-brained philosophy you propose? Are you at all familiar with the story of Humpty Dumpty?
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What he means:

Iacchus said:
I have absolutely nothing to offer to any form of intelligent conversation. I will now try and sound smart by deriding your statement as if I am privy to some great knowledge and then offer an example of logic so poorly compiled that it would put George W. Bush to shame.
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Hrm, I think I like this what he says what he means thing. Anyone else game for it?
 
If one has the power to maintain everything that one says, with nothing to stand in contrast to it, how can one not be omnipotent in that regard?
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This sounds more like a definition of omnipotence than an argument?
(although I'm still struggling)

Monkey fish toaster? Mayo lichen fish man key funny dwive.
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This made more sense and made me smile.
 
fruit_loup said:
What he says:

What he means:

Hrm, I think I like this what he says what he means thing. Anyone else game for it?
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No, we should not discount the whole, in favor of our piecemeal version of it. For we are very likely not going to wind up with what we started with. All parts are related to the whole, therefore all parts must be contained circularly within the whole.
 
I suppose he thinks the whole universe operates based on what he wants to be true...
 
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