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Giuliani Says BLM Is Racist

Of course they're racist. Their cause might be important, but there is no question a significant number of the group have a deep disdain for white people. Could not give a percentage, but seems significant.
 
"Racist" has become code for "lower-class and therefore not worth any consideration."

Black Lives Matter protestors are racist.

Brexit voters are racist.

Trump supporters are racist.

If Louis XVI were around today, he'd be complaining "the peasants are racist." (In French, though.)
 
Not racist per se. But the whole movement is predicated on a fallacy, the effects of which are exacerbated by an unhealthy obsession with race and racial solidarity.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Not racist per se. But the whole movement is predicated on a fallacy, the effects of which are exacerbated by an unhealthy obsession with race and racial solidarity.
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And the disproportionate number of unarmed black men shot by police is also predicated what fallacy?
 
Caper said:
Of course they're racist. Their cause might be important, but there is no question a significant number of the group have a deep disdain for white people. Could not give a percentage, but seems significant.
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I need evidence for your claim.
 
Myriad said:
"Racist" has become code for "lower-class and therefore not worth any consideration."

Black Lives Matter protestors are racist.

Brexit voters are racist.

Trump supporters are racist.
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The term has become overused, of course, which makes real cases of racism hard to point out. Many people are pointing out that BLM is racist, but I don't know if that's actually representative of the whole movement. One thing's for sure, there's a lot of actual racist comments around that group.
 
Solitaire said:
Giuliani Says BLM Is Racist

The Bureau Of Land Management have no overall bias against black people.

Totally clueless... :confused:
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Well, Rudy's no altar boy, as they say.

Or Guiliani said of former altar boy Patrick Dorismond, while he illegally released Desimond's juvenile record in a misguided attempt to justify his killing at the hands of the NYPD.

At some point, people should realize that certain people simply don't deserve to be taken seriously. On race issues, Guiliani passed that mark long ago.
 
A quote form here somewhere: "White folks have a thousand things they blame for their problems. Minorities blame racism."

Idiots come in all colors. Don't blame the Honkies that you went bankrupt and are losing your house. Or that you are losing your business due to incompetence.
 
Argumemnon said:
Do we actually have statistics on how many unarmed people of each ethnic background are shot by police?
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Last blurb on this site was that the rates are the same, when compared to stops. Which I think are comparable to incarceration rates too.
 
casebro said:
A quote form here somewhere: "White folks have a thousand things they blame for their problems. Minorities blame racism."

Idiots come in all colors. Don't blame the Honkies that you went bankrupt and are losing your house. Or that you are losing your business due to incompetence.
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And we just have to ignore studies that show things like employers preferring less qualified white candidates over black candidates and so on. Totally not a real thing no matter how much evidence there is for it.
 
Argumemnon said:
Do we actually have statistics on how many unarmed people of each ethnic background are shot by police?
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I haven't done the count of unarmed people killed (whether or not they were shot) by police, let alone shot by police (whether or not they were killed). What I have done, by using statistics from the Guardian database and the FBI database is compute the percentage of people killed by police who were black in 2015 and year-to-date in 2016:

2015: 306/1146 = 26.7%
2016: 137/569 = 24.1%

The FBI database keeps track of police officers killed or seriously injured by assailants with weapons, and the race of their assailants (when known). The latest data available is for 2014.

2013: out of 26 known assailants who killed a police officer, 11 were black.
2013: out of 72 known assailants who seriously injured a police officer, 40 were black.

2014: out of 58 known assailants who killed a police officer, 13 were black.
2014: out of 80 known assailants who seriously injured a police officer, 26 were black.

So the percentage of police killers who were black in prior years were:

2013: 42.3%
2014: 22.4%

And the percentage of police serious attackers who were black in prior years were:

2013: 55.6%
2014: 32.5%

Personally, I think the best numbers to compare to are the above numbers, although we should wait for the data to accumulate so we can match up years. Although, there is not very much data to go by, it seems plausible that the percentage of people killed by police who are black is lower than the percentage of people who attack police who are black.

If that's true, I think that is evidence that, on average, police are responding with force to real risk in a roughly race-neutral way (maybe even under reacting to the statistical risk from people who are black).

Which is not to say that there isn't systematic discrimination against blacks in policing. It could be that police are seeking out more confrontations with blacks for racist reasons. Or are more aggressive in their confrontations for racist reasons. I don't think that's true, however. The confrontation rate and arrest rate, broken down by race, strike me as reasonable given the higher level of violent crime in black communities.

ETA: Links to FBI data for 2013 and 2014.

And the Guardian police shootings database.

ETAA: The Guardian does show unarmed shootings by police broken down by race. The percentage who were black in 2015 and year-to-date in 2016 are:

2015: 79/229 = 34.5%
2016: 24/82 = 29.3%

A little higher than killings over all, but within the statistical noise I bet.
 
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#NoMoreHashtags

Seriously, it's a stupid way to convey the message. We can't expect to solve complex problems 140 characters at a time.
 
NoahFence said:
#NoMoreHashtags

Seriously, it's a stupid way to convey the message. We can't expect to solve complex problems 140 characters at a time.
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That is as silly as being associated with the boston tea party and not going full redface makeup and destroying private property to protest taxes.
 
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