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Genesis free energy.

thaiboxerken

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http://www.matr.net/print-5090.html

It seems to me that making electricity out of water in this fashion is free energy. I work in the fuel cell industry and the claims of this project are absurd. NJ is funding the research.

It takes more electricy to seprate H20 than we can get from reforming o2 and h2 into h20. Hmm... oh well.
 
Is this the same Genesis Project? I don't see in your link where it says that it's funded by New Jersey, whereas this one is.

http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/research/fuel_cell/
3/30/2000

The New Jersey Genesis Project

The NJ Genesis project is New Jersey Department of Transportation's (NJDOT) most recent endeavor in electric vehicle technology. Beginning with the NJ Venturer, NJDOT has sought to stem the increasing levels of air pollution in the state by the promotion of emission-free electric vehicles. In an effort to increase the driving range while eliminating the need to recharge electric vehicles, NJDOT is attempting to find ways to incorporate fuel cells and other advanced technologies into electric vehicles. These efforts are part of NJDOT's goal of creating and promoting environmentally clean technologies that meet current consumer demands.

Fuel cell technology is one of the advanced technologies helping NJDOT. Using fuel cells to provide power to roadside variable message signs demonstrated the adaptability of this technology to transportation needs. The NJ Venturer utilized fuel cells to provide power to the vehicle by harnessing the power of hydrogen. Hydrogen, an abundant gas in the earth's environment, provides a fuel source whose only emission, water, is not harmful to the environment. The NJ Venturer's participation in last year s Tour de Sol fostered public interest in NJDOT's efforts to refine electric cars and created the support to launch the Genesis Project for this year's entry into the 2000 Tour de Sol.

The NJ Genesis Project will produce a car powered by sodium borohydride using technological developments by Millennium Cell of Eatontown, New Jersey with additional grant funding from the U.S. Department of Energy. Sodium borohydride is a derivative of sodium borate (borax), a safe, non-toxic, non-flammable, solid powder that works as a concentrated carrier for hydrogen. The clear solution of borohydride in water will be stored in the Genesis vehicle's fuel tank. Millennium Cell's hydrogen generator will produce only enough hydrogen from the fuel to power the vehicle's fuel cell. The fuel is expected to produce enough energy to power the 5-passenger vehicle over a 450-mile , producing only one emission - pure water!
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These sound like two entirely different things. The one Goshawk mentions is standard hydrogen fuel cells, chosen for their low emissions characteristics.

The one thaiboxerken mentions sounds like a typical scam. They play off the name of a legitimate project, rely on secrecy to hide their dark deeds, and present the usual free energy crap as their solution. A fuel cell that runs on water is clearly bogus. As TBK knows, fuel cells burn hydrogen and oxygen and produce water.

I would suspect they are not really linked to the NJ project but are using it as cover, or else that NJ does not know the extent of the con. The reporter sounds suspicious; I hope they have the energy and resources to investigate further because this really stinks.
 
Here's a link for you, TBK:
http://www.ntskeptics.org/2003/2003january/january2003.htm

Genesis Project: a really good scam can be used over and over.
Back in the early '70s, an inventor named Sam Leach claimed to have built a car that used ordinary water as a fuel. The idea was simple: You use electrolysis to decompose the water into oxygen and hydrogen and then use the hydrogen as a fuel to run the engine and generate electricity for the separation. So there you have it: You start with water and end up with water plus work. Scientists scoffed: it would take more energy to decompose the water than you could get from the combustion of hydrogen. Ordinarily yes, Leach agreed, but he had a secret catalyst that reduced the energy of decomposition. The great thing about the First Law of Thermodynamics, however, is that it doesn't care what's in your secret box, it gives you the limit of any process. Leach raised millions from investors and then retired to a seaside villa in California. Who needs a car that runs on water when you have a chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce? The rumor spread that he had been bought off by the oil companies. Now something called Genesis World Energy is running the same scam over again.

I found that by doing a Google search on Genesis world energy "robert park"

also did a search for "genesis world energy" krieg (eric krieg is a free energy debunker):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free_energy/messages/4103

Here's the PHACT site, You can find out how to contact Eric Krieg there.
http://www.phact.org
Krieg offers a prize to anyone who can successfully demonstrate a free energy device uncer controlled conditions. http://www.phact.org/e/freetest.html Contact him, I'll bet he's heard of these Genesis people.
 
"Hydrogen, an abundant gas in the earth's environment, provides a fuel source whose only emission, water, is not harmful to the environment."

EEK! Does the New Jersey Fire Department know about this abundant hydrogen?
 
Soapy Sam said:
"Hydrogen, an abundant gas in the earth's environment, provides a fuel source whose only emission, water, is not harmful to the environment."

EEK! Does the New Jersey Fire Department know about this abundant hydrogen?
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I'm not sure, quick, light a match so I can see if there's any hydrogen abundant.

(EOM)
 
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