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Gem therapy

From the first website. I'll just let this stand as it is without any further comment necessary.
HOW DOES IT WORK?

Nowadays, surgical laser beams are generated by rubies, but certain precious gems have been valued for their medicinal properties, beauty and rarity for over 5,000 years. Some Tibetan and Indian medicines are made from the fine powder of gem stones. Many infections, allergies and psychological and physical illnesses cause an imbalance of the patient’s organs and glands, which is normally accompanied by a detrimental Assemblage Point location. Electronic Gem Therapy is able to correct this by adjusting the biological activity of organs and energy imbalances and re-aligning the Assemblage Point.

HOW CAN GEM THERAPY HELP?

Gem stones are reservoirs of pure radiating energy. The concentrated rays of gems influence cellular activity at a sub-atomic level, where gross chemicals such as herbs and drugs cannot penetrate. The gem rays pass through the body and influence cellular behaviour in a similar way to infrared rays. The colour of the gem stone determines its effect on living cells. Combining natural healing frequencies with colour and gem stones can influence the cohesion and vibrational rates of cells, organs and glands. Hence vastly accelerating the healing process.
 
This from the second site, for Magnet Therapy:
AN EXPLANATION

The Earth, the Sun, the Moon and us ...

The earth is a magnet, and is surrounded by a natural geomagnetic field which we rely on for our health and well being. Research shows that over the last 100 years, this magnetic force has declined by 5%.The sun and the moon are also natural magnets, which help in the maintenance of life on earth. The modern environment in which we have chosen to live – metal structured buildings, cars, trains etc. – provides many shields to this natural magnetic force. Magnet therapy can help address this reduction in magnetic force and provide many benefits.

Space – the final frontier – but no magnetic force ...

When astronauts first went into space the authorities at NASA could not understand why the returning astronauts suffered from nausea, less bone density and little immunity. This was due to severe depletion of white corpuscles in the blood and was found to be a direct result of being away from the earth’s magnetic field. The white corpuscles in the blood form a significant part of the body’s immune system, helping us to fight off illness. Now space suits are lined with a magnetic material allowing astronauts to walk from the shuttle straight into a press conference.
 
Tom Morris said:
Anyone seen this line of bulls**t?
http://www.electronicgemtherapy.com

Any comments?
Comments for the first link:

Website design: Excellent.

Content: Pseudoscience, and a surprising amount of bald-faced lies, usually they are less direct.

My conclusion: Deliberate scam. These people are swindlers and they know it.

Hans
 
This page explains how the machine works (if it can be called that). It looks to me like it is a child's build-it-yourself project in beginner electronics. Can anyone spell "RIP-OFF"???

http://62.73.167.114/hu1.html
 
I suggest we start a JREF campaign to expose this publicly. Comments?
 
If you don’t have blood flowing through your muscles regularly, acidity builds up. That’s why you feel pain and aching. A north pole magnet will neutralise the acidity, giving you extra mobility in that area. The improved circulation will also make your extremities feel warmer. (emphasis mine)
OMG, they have invented the monopole magnet :jaw:


OK, website: Fair.

Content: Pseudoscience and lies.

Conclusions: Possibly deluded, probably deliberate scam.

Hans
 
I note in the case studies section there are pictures of children, one is clearly recognisable, most apparently have medical skin conditions. Surely this must contravene some law.

edited- looks to be UK based, any ideas on regulatory authoritory that could be contacted?
 
I'm not sure. Here's a list of bodies we could contact:
NHS - National Health Service (socialised medicine organisation)
Trading Standards Officers - they basically check that people aren't being ripped off.
Maybe the NICE - National Institute for Clinical Excellence
Or the government - local representatives. Of course, it there is a skeptic living in the same constituency, it might be easier. I could contact my MP, but I'm not sure how much use it is.
Or local government. The relevant London Borough Council.

I am writing up this as part of my book. I can tell it's all pseudoscience. I was just wondering whether there are any people on here who could enlighten me as to some of the misrepresentations of physics that these quacks use.
 
I agree that it's pure scam. Large portions of it are completely untrue.

From http://www.liliascurtin.co.uk/magnet3.html

Your blood is magnetic
No, it isn't.

When you apply a magnet, it produces a whirlpool effect in your blood.
No, it doesn't.

This improves the circulation of highly oxygenated blood and helps dislodge toxins and clear out your arteries.
No, it doesn't.
A magnet can increase blood flow by up to 300% in five minutes.
No, it can't.

A north pole magnet will neutralise...acidity
No, it won't.

Magnets also alter the molecular structure of the blood.
No, they don't.

And from this.
http://www.liliascurtin.co.uk/magnet2.html
When astronauts first went into space the authorities at NASA could not understand why the returning astronauts suffered from nausea, less bone density and little immunity. This was due to severe depletion of white corpuscles in the blood and was found to be a direct result of being away from the earth’s magnetic field.
No, it wasn't. It was due to being away from Earth's gravity field, not magnetic field.

Now space suits are lined with a magnetic material allowing astronauts to walk from the shuttle straight into a press conference.
No, they aren't. An astronaut who is basically one big microprocessor can hardly be equipped with a head-to-toe magnet.

Construction of space suits, by the manufacturer. "Magnetic linings" are conspicuous by their absence.

http://xnwp021.utc.com/ssi/ssi/Applications/SpaceSuits/Arms.html
The left and right Arm Assemblies are pressure vessels made of heat sealed, urethane coated, nylon bladder fabric enclosed in polyester restraint fabric.
http://xnwp021.utc.com/ssi/ssi/Applications/SpaceSuits/Legs.html
The lower torso comes in various sizes and consists of pants, boots and hip, knee and ankle joints. It connects to the hard upper torso by a quick disconnect. It is composed of several layers: a pressure bladder of urethane-coated nylon, a restraining layer of dacron and an outer thermal micrometeoroid garment made of neoprene-coated nylon, five layers of aluminized mylar and an ortho fabric surface layer of teflon, kevlar and nomex.
http://xnwp021.utc.com/ssi/ssi/Applications/SpaceSuits/Torso.html
The main component of the HUT is the Hard Torso Shell (HTS) made of rigid fiberglass...The Thermal Micrometeoroid Garment provides thermal protection.




However, although this is obviously a blatant scam, how is it different from any other "magnet therapy" website scam? There are tons of them out there. JREF can't go around publicly debunking all of them, there aren't enough hours in the day.
 
Still browsing...Moving on to "gem therapy".

Question on how the widget actually works: Going by their illustrations, it's apparently is supposed to shine a light through a gemstone onto the afflicted body part?

What does the listing of wavelengths ("color/frequency") on the "Gems Used" page have to do with how the widget works? Are they saying that shining a light through their installed ruby causes red light of wavelength 625 nm to appear? Ask to MP to check this.

If this is in fact how the widget is supposed to work, ask the MP to see that there is in fact a certified gemstone of each kind installed somehow in each lighting device. They ought to be as follows: Ruby, carnelian, citrine, emerald, topaz, diamond, sapphire. He'll need a jeweler or gemstone expert for this.

Also, the MP ought to find out whether the gems in question are real or synthetic. I would think that only real gemstones could be expected to work "right", given the overall mystic tone of the theory.

Other questions.

Apparently the machine is set up so that the light is supposed to be shining through the gemstone onto the afflicted body part? However, carnelian is not transparent the way rubies and sapphires are--it is a kind of quartz that is, at best, translucent, but is usually opaque. Therefore, it probably cannot generate the orange light-beam it's supposed to (disclaimer: IANA mineralogist or a jeweller). If LiliasCurtin has a purported carnelian shining orange light onto a body part, then their machine probably can't be working the way it looks like (as far as I can tell) it's supposed to.

Mineralogically speaking, ruby and sapphire are identical, being corundum or aluminum oxide, differing only in their color, as any rockhound can tell you. So why should ruby be "Hot, heating, drying, energising, expanding" and sapphire be "Cool, tranquilising, soothing, analgesic, sedative "? Just because of the color? Would all red gemstones be "heating"? Why not use garnets or spinel? Similarly, why not use amethyst for violet's "tranquilising" effect? Why use the violet sapphire?

Why use blue topaz for "blue" and not sapphire? Why use citrine for yellow? Why not use topaz for yellow, sapphire for blue, and amethyst for violet?

I suspect there's a price issue here: a very small poor-quality ruby and emerald are relatively inexpensive; diamonds aren't nearly as expensive as people think they are; violet sapphires are pretty cheap (and BTW, this website points out that violet sapphires are "routinely" heat-treated to enhance their color--wouldn't that count as "artificial"?); carnelian is dirt-cheap, relatively speaking, being only a semi-precious stone; citrines and blue topaz are also quite cheap, being standard ingredients in those "Grandma's Little Birthstones" jewelry. I'm betting that if the MP does get a jeweler to look at these stones, they'll turn out to be real, but the ruby and emerald will be of poor, non-jewelry quality.

And most people don't think of "amethyst" as a "gem" stone, so there's obviously a PR issue here. Customers would rather be treated by an exciting-sounding "violet sapphire" than by plain old amethysts. Selling the sizzle, not the steak...So if you have to use "violet sapphire" for purple, then you can't use sapphire for blue, so you have to find something else to use for blue, hence blue topaz. And you have to use diamonds somewhere, because what use is a gemstone lineup without "diamonds", so you stick it under "indigo", since there are no gemstones that are "dark blue".

Question: How do they make a diamond produce an indigo light? Diamonds are clear. Naturally occurring blue diamonds are very rare, and quite expensive. So if they have a blue diamond, then they have a heat-treated or irradiated diamond. And if they need to have authentic gemstones for best effects, as I surmise, wouldn't heat-treating a gemstone to make it produce a blue light make it count as "artificial"?

Blue topaz is also rarely found in nature, and is generally produced by heat-treating yellow topaz. So wouldn't it count as "artificial", too? However, maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree here and LiliasCurtin doesn't care whether the gems are real or synthetic.

Note: Citrine is also quartz, and is also considered only a semi-precious stone. So two of their "gems" are actually mere rockhound-fodder quartz, and if they had included amethyst, that would be "quartz", too. Just mentioning it.
 
Goshawk, stop remembering such inconvenient issues, its not good for business:D

Not to mention that blue topaz sometimes is created by irradiating incolor topaz, and citrine by heating amethyst crystals. This can be done dropping the citrine inside a can within a bonfire...

And the woos will always tell you that the minor ammounts of Fe, Ti, etc on the crystals will be enough to change their properties, vibrations, energies, whatever, even if in small ammounts. Based on what? Dillution, as in homeopathy. And you'll get upset...
 
Zep said:
This from the second site, for Magnet Therapy:

I love how, in both examples you quoted, they start with a snippet of real science, and then spin off the deep end...
 
Correa neto--- In fairness, trace amounts of metal ions in minerals can significantly alter their properties, especially their optical ones.

Anyway, I thought it was undeniably proven fact that gems improve symptoms of depression , especially in women? Diamonds in particular.
 
Goshawk said:
(disclaimer: IANA mineralogist or a jeweller).
Technically, I'm not either. But I worked for one for long enough.

First, a rant. ;)

First of all, "semi-precious" is an absolutely meaningless description, and amethyst most certainly is a gemstone. Any stone that is used as a gem (gems don't have to be stones at all, technically) are gemstones.

Rant finished.

However, as has already been amply explicated by Goshawk, this is a load of old cobblers. Everyone knows that the only stones that have any beneficial effect are genuine Atlantean healing crystals. I happen to have a couple in my possession, willed to me by my great grandmother, a direct descendent of the last High Priestess of Mu. I would be extremely loathe to part with them, but for a person of suitably pure and balanced karma, I could be persuaded....

Any takers?

:D
 
I would like to point out that there seems to be some very clear ways to say that the "gemstones" used in the device are more than likely just plain bits of cheap cut glass, nothing more. These are just off the top of my head, and it's worth noting that as a youngster me and my friends did a fair bit of prospecting for gemstones:

1. Each of the "gems" are listed as being 0.5 to 1 carat in size. That's NOT a small gem by any standards. Taking the diamond alone, a cut or polished blue diamond of that size, even flawed, would cost thousands of pounds/dollars just to acquire. Good quality emerald of that size is similarly expensive. And yet this mob have a little wooden box full of these bits, and will mail them to you on sale with no security... *snort*

2. Gemstones, when cut or polished, do not actually let a lot of light through them. Much of it is reflected and refracted off internal surfaces (so that they sparkle!), so direct line transmission of light would be low to nil, even for clearish stones.

3. While many gemstones have colour to look at, they are still basically transparent. To obtain any sort of colour through passing light through them, the gems will be quite dark and intense in colour - inky even. A pale stone like topaz (which, incidentally, is straw-yellow) looks like pale white wine when light passes through it.

4. They have screwed up the colours something awful. Topaz is straw-yellow, citrine is lemon-yellow, carnelian is the colour of dried blood (not orange), ruby is like red wine in a glass (not pillar-box red), sapphire can be anything from pale lime-green (cheap stuff) through cerulian blue to indigo (better stuff) and is often pale and clear anyway. Amethyst is very pale lavendar, diamond is glass-like, emerald is rarely intense green.

I think I shall be using images like this a lot with respect to this enterprise!

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Zep.

1) True, very true. Glass or paste for sure.

2) Not always true. There is no barrier to tranmitting light with a cabochon cut, for instance. You are thinking of the various "brilliant" cuts.

3) True.

4) Colours are highly variable. Carnelian most certainly does come in orange, and only cheap amethyst is pale lavender, the best is dark purple, for instance.
 
Graculus said:
First of all, "semi-precious" is an absolutely meaningless description,
From www.m-w.com :


Main Entry: semi·pre·cious
Pronunciation: -'pre-sh&s
Function: adjective
of a gemstone
: of less commercial value than a precious stone
 

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