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Geller hypnotized Michael Jackson

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Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson on Sunday, saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had sexually abused children.

Look at this!!!
 
KS_SKEPTIC said:
Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson on Sunday, saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had sexually abused children.

Look at this!!!
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Eh, comcast.net is giving me a "Cannot Find Server".

Story is being featured by the Kansas City Star (subscription, sorry).

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...52.htm?ERIGHTS=-4325479796982806424kansascity

Posted on Sun, Jan. 18, 2004

Psychic Uri Geller: Jackson denied under hypnosis that he abused children

Associated Press

JERUSALEM - Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson on Sunday, saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had sexually abused children.

Geller...told Israel's Army Radio that he hypnotized Jackson when the two were alone in a recording studio at an undisclosed location. The hypnosis would have taken place before Jackson is alleged to have molested a cancer-stricken boy invited to his Neverland Ranch.

"I told him that that if he would let me, I would hypnotize him," Geller told the radio. "He said, 'Okay, let's give it a try.'"

He said he asked Jackson about persistent rumors that he had abused children.

"He answered me under deep hypnosis that he had never touched a child in a sexual way," Geller said. "He said - and here I'm using his exact words - 'My relations with children are very beautiful.'"

Geller said he was convinced Jackson was telling him the truth.

"I'm a good hypnotist, and I know who is trying to mislead me ... " he said. "I can see straight into the subject's eyes ... (Jackson) didn't fool me, I'm absolutely sure of it."

Geller said he did not seek Jackson's permission to ask about the abuse allegations during the hypnosis, but that he posed the question because he was about to introduce Jackson to his family and wanted to be sure the singer was innocent.
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KS_SKEPTIC said:
Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson on Sunday, ....
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That guy gets everywhere. This was in my newspaper today. Dead artist's work soars in value.
He (the owner) also said Uri Geller, who had offered to sponsor the young artist before he died, had been bombarding him with e-mails asking if he could buy Laird’s paintings.

"He kept sending me e-mails asking how much I wanted for the paintings. I don’t really want to sell them to him so I didn’t get back to him," he said.

Finally Geller made him an offer last week. Stewart said: "He told me he would give me £1,000 for all four and that he wanted to put them in a special pyramid which he uses to inspire sick children.

"However, they’ve been valued at £15,000 for all four, so I’ve just not bothered getting back to him."
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The printed story featured a picture of Uri, rather than of Mr. Laird or Mr. Stewart or the paintings, and rather drew the eye as being a Geller article. Until you actually read it of course.

Rolfe.
 
It should now be clear to just about anyone with reasonably intact faculties that Uri Geller is a shameless, blatant and obvious media whore with no integrity whatsoever. Even a bad public report on his stinking behaviour is a public report nonetheless.

Clearly publicity is the one and only thing he craves. More even than money. But alas, he craves it so fiercely that he will settle for a bout of notoriety if nothing else is available, piggybacking himself shamelessly on his erstwhile "friends" and insinuating himself into their private affairs where he does not belong.

There do not seem to be terms in any language to describe how tacky and low he has become in his search for self-aggrandisement, so the only suitable thing left to do is ignore him.

And I don't care if he does read this post. :p
 
I just caught a tv report of Uri's latest (successful) bid for attention. It's frustrating enough that the likes of Sylvia and Edwards manage to get as much exposure as they do. But we can't even keep a two bit has been from continuing to keep his name in the public eye. Ah well, a couple of tums will take care of the immediate reactions, and exercise should take care of the spike in blood pressure...
 
Bump, in the hope of burying Temporal Renegade's awful picture of Jackson!

Rolfe.
 
Geller is a fraud and an idiot.. however as an aside I DON’T think Michael Jackson ever molested children.

Unless you count parading in front of them in his bizarre face and outfits and acting like a 70 IQ moron as molestation.

The guy is a fruitcake but anyone who seriously believes he molests children is just as whacky.

Both cases of abuse he has been charged with SMACK of ADULTS trying to cash in on his lunacy !
 
KS_SKEPTIC said:
Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson on Sunday, saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had sexually abused children.

Look at this!!!
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Today, Brian David Phillips has a good commentary on Uri Gellar's hypnotizing of Jackson. Phillips is someone I would call a professional responsible hypnotist and he has the best hypnosis blog on the internet. The Amazing Randi is also mentioned in the blog entry here: http://briandavidphillips.typepad.com/brian/2005/06/uri_gellers_rep.html

It begins thus:

Uri Geller is telling all about how "I put Michael into a trance: it was unethical, but I had to know the truth about Jordie" . . . the report makes clear a few things . . . Geller is willing to perform unethical hypnotic procedures, Geller is not a very good hypnotist in that he makes obvious mistakes regarding the nature of hypnosis and what is possible, Geller is not good at running a question-and-answer session in hypnosis as he does what is called "leading" rather than more appropriate "guiding" and asks questions that can create false memories or impressions, Geller is a bit more than naive in that he seems to think that a simple suggestive session precludes the ability of the subject to confabulate or fall victim to phantasy or . . . as in this case . . . just plain lie. Cursory study of even the most basic material on forensic hypnosis will show you that one does NOT hypnotize the accused or suspect for evidence or testimony but goes to witnesses and that one has to be very very careful about wording (Geller's quotes of his wording make it very clear that he is not careful and that he is very poor at this sort of session).
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Go to the link for the full blog entry, and the link to the Geller article.
 
How does this guy still get credit?

He's been debunked a thousand times. Soccer teams now see him as the kiss of death. Nobody wants to be associated with him and yet...he's still out there!

Maybe he thinks if nobody talks about him, he doesn't exist.
 
Thane Uri de Geller quoth:

"Worse than this, I blamed myself. I had persuaded Michael to make the documentary with Martin Bashir that set off this appalling chain reaction. I couldn't have predicted that Michael would make such naive and damaging statements to Mr Bashir about his friendships with adolescent boys. And I couldn't believe that his legal team had not demanded complete editorial power over the documentary."

O publicity, why are you such a bitch?

"I'm quietly proud of my part in relaunching Michael's career."... "In fact, the only thing that could beat this would be for Elvis to come back from the dead."


Wow.
 
Hypnosis-Yet another scam. This one's propagated by psychologists and psychiatrists as well.
 
It's something I don't understand enough to call a scam. I mean I've seen the Penn & Teller episode. I just don't get it.
 
Suggestologist said:
Do you know enough about the subject to make that evaluation?
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To answer your question, yes, BUT, I suppose I should clear up my statement. It is rather vague as stated.

Hypnosis is just about equivalent to relaxation therapy. You can not force a person to do anything they don't want to do under hypnosis. A person is not under anybody's control. You can't even melt away pounds or stop smoking from hypnosis. All you are doing is getting in individual into a very relaxed state.

Hypnosis is presented by many, even some professionals, as a solution and cure all to many problems. It is not.

Oh, and a person under hypnosis doesn't have to tell the truth either. He is still in charge of his mental faculties. This is why I say it is a scam in this instance because it is virtually meaningless to say "Michael told the truth because he was hypnotized".

Yeah, right, and those people actually were abducted by aliens...
 
lumos said:
To answer your question, yes, BUT, I suppose I should clear up my statement. It is rather vague as stated.

Hypnosis is just about equivalent to relaxation therapy. You can not force a person to do anything they don't want to do under hypnosis. A person is not under anybody's control. You can't even melt away pounds or stop smoking from hypnosis. All you are doing is getting in individual into a very relaxed state.

Hypnosis is presented by many, even some professionals, as a solution and cure all to many problems. It is not.

Oh, and a person under hypnosis doesn't have to tell the truth either. He is still in charge of his mental faculties. This is why I say it is a scam in this instance because it is virtually meaningless to say "Michael told the truth because he was hypnotized".

Yeah, right, and those people actually were abducted by aliens...
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Apparently you failed to read the comments of a professional hypnotist that I quoted earlier in this thread?
 
"He answered me under deep hypnosis that he had never touched a child in a sexual way," Geller said. "He said - and here I'm using his exact words - 'My relations with children are very beautiful.'"

Geller said he was convinced Jackson was telling him the truth.

"I'm a good hypnotist, and I know who is trying to mislead me ... " he said. "I can see straight into the subject's eyes ... (Jackson) didn't fool me, I'm absolutely sure of it."
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Assuming that Geller is capable of being honest about any or all of this, at most all this proves is that Jackson doesn't believe what he does is molestation. It does not prove that Jackson didn't actually molest children.

My understanding (from the Law & Order School of Law and Law Enforcement) is that most child molesters believe that the act is consentual and natural and a good thing.
 
Ya know I didn't think of it that way. But none the less - the verdict is out and I appreciate the massive effort of the prosecution. For a case about child moselstation & such a high high profile case - it would have been so easy for these people to do a guilty verdict.

If ya ask me, it's almost like Jackson deserves to mollest a few children just to make up for all the crap he's put up with. :D Okay nasty joke. What can I say, I'm full of em.
 
Suggestologist said:
Apparently you failed to read the comments of a professional hypnotist that I quoted earlier in this thread?
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I read his quotes. He and I apparently agree that Geller's analysis of Jackson was irrelevant.

Hypnosis may be good for some form of therapy, like relaxation, but it works no miracles. What's your perspective on hypnosis? I wonder what Randi's is?
 
lumos said:
I read his quotes. He and I apparently agree that Geller's analysis of Jackson was irrelevant.

Hypnosis may be good for some form of therapy, like relaxation, but it works no miracles. What's your perspective on hypnosis? I wonder what Randi's is?
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Hmmm, Uncommon Therapy is a book by Jay Haley about M.H. Erickson and how he used hypnosis among other things.
 
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