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Gaffney's at it again.

Here's the gist of it:

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The key numbers are the demand-capacity ratios for each of the 47 core columns in WTC 1. In the second page (below) the letter mentions that the numbers are to be found in NIST NCSTAR 1-6 (p. 233). I will post a link later for those who want to look.

But the key part of the NIST letter is the third paragraph from the bottom on page two (below). In the last sentence NIST states "The values reported ranged between 0.36 and 0.63, which correspond to reserve capacities ranging between 1.6 and 2.8 (not inconsistent with the value that you cited of 2.25)."

The number 2.25 is the average factor of safety of the 47 core columns. Factor of safety is derived from the demand-capacity ratios, and is another way of expressing the same data. I will explain its significance in a moment.

Actually, the number 2.25 did not come from me but from Wayne Trumpman, who posted one of the first critical analyses of the NIST Report on the Internet. (here)
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/324507.shtml

Trunmpman started me thinking about the WTC reserve capacity and its factor of safety -- and so, I went to the NIST scientific team trying to prove or disprove Trumpman's figure. Based on the demand-capacity ratios I found in the NIST Report, however, I calculated that the average is actually 2.1. But Trumpman was close.

Here is what the number 2.1 means. The factor of safety of 2.1 means that an average core column could support more than two times the anticipated design load before incurring any structural damage. This means you could literally cut half the core columns and the WTC would continue to stand, no problem. You could actually cut more than half, for reasons I will explain in a later post.

Folks, 2.1 is a whopping number -- and it clearly shows that the official WTC collapse model is absurd. This is true even if you buy into the theory that the fires weakened the columns. Because remember -- at least half of the core columns were outside the impact zone, hence can have suffered no significant loss of insulation due to the plane impact. Therefore, at least half of the core columns were totally protected from the fires and could not have been weakened, even by the worst case fire scenario. With half the core columns intact - no way you can generate a collapse.

This shows that the impacts and fires could not have brought down the WTC -- even under the worst fire scenario you can imagine. No fire could weaken protected steel columns in a mere 1-2 hours.

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Basically Gaffney's trying to throw a bunch of numbers at us laypeople in an attempt to win us over with his "expertise", while of course vigorously avoiding any debate with actual architects and engineers. Standard tactic for him.
 
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Here Gaffney claims that he's never been proven wrong:

Gaffney said:
Here is a more detailed explanation of reserve capacity and factor of safety. The following appeared in my 2008 book. No one has shown any errors in this discussion.

The Issue of Reserve Capacity

As the NIST report states,

“both towers had considerable reserve capacity. This was confirmed by analysis of the post-impact vibration of WTC-2, the more severely damaged building, where the damaged tower oscillated at a period nearly equal to the first mode period calculated for the undamaged structure.” [my emphasis]61

The above passage informs us that WTC-2 gave no sign of instability after the impact of Flight 175. Unfortunately, although NIST’s summary report provides a wealth of information about how the World Trade Center was constructed it fails to clarify the matter of the WTC’s “considerable reserve capacity.” At any rate, I scoured the report in vain for a clear discussion of this important issue. In frustration, I finally called NIST for assistance and was guided to several of the project reports and supplementary documents. I also consulted with Gary Nichols, an expert at the International Code Council (ICC), and with Ron Hamburger, a leading structural engineer. These conversations were an education. I learned that estimating the overall reserve capacity of a steel structure is by no means a simple matter. Numerous factors are involved. Moreover, there are different ways to approach the problem.

Perhaps the simplest measure of reserve capacity are the standards for the material components of a building. In the late 1960s when the WTC was constructed the applicable standard was the New York City Building Code, which required a builder to execute computations for the various structural members to show they met the specified requirements. However, the code also allowed for actual testing of members in the event that computations were impractical. The testing standards applicable in 1968 give a reasonable idea of the required level of reserve strength in the steel columns and other materials used in the WTC. For example, in the most stringent test a steel member had to withstand 250% of the design load, plus half again its own weight, for a period of a week, without collapse.62

Factor of Safety

Another widely used measure of reserve capacity is the so called “factor of safety.” This varies for different structural elements, but for steel columns and beams typically ranges from 1.75 - 2.0.63 The NIST report actually breaks down this more general figure into two separate and slightly different measurements for stress: yielding strength (1.67) and buckling (1.92).64 For our purposes, however, the more general figure is adequate. So, for example, a steel column with a factor of safety of 1.75 must support 1.75 times the anticipated design load before it begins to incur damage. While this value is typical of steel beams in general, the actual reserve strength of the steel columns in the WTC was higher. When NIST scientists crunched the numbers for the 47 core columns of WTC-1 (in the impact zone, between the 93rd and 98th floors) they calculated that the factor of safety ranged from 1.6 to 2.8, the mean value being 2.1.65 This means that the average core column in the impact zone of WTC-1 could support more than twice its design load before reaching the yield strength, i.e., the point where damage may begin to occur. My grateful thanks to the NIST investigative team for helping me locate these numbers, which were buried in the report.

It is important to realize that the factor of safety is not a threshold for collapse, but a value beyond which permanent damage may begin to occur. As the NIST report admits, even “after reaching the yield strength, structural steel components continue to possess considerable reserve capacity.”66 This is why steel beams and columns typically do not fail in sudden fashion. The loss of strength is gradual. No doubt, this helps to explain why, although fires have ravaged many steel frame buildings over history, none had ever collapsed–––until 9/11–––nor has any since. What all of this means, of course, is that even in the most improbable worst case, in which many or all WTC core columns lost half of their strength, there was still sufficient reserve capacity to support the building.

The Perimeter Wall

With regard to the WTC’s perimeter columns, the factor of safety fluctuated from day to day and even from hour to hour, because, in addition to supporting 47% of the WTC’s gravity load, the perimeter wall also had to withstand the lateral force of the wind, which is highly variable given the whims of Mother Nature. A single face of the WTC presented an enormous “sail” to the elements, for which reason John Skilling vastly overbuilt this part of the structure. According to the NIST report, the outer wall’s factor of safety against wind shear on September 11, 2001 was extraordinary, i.e., in the 10-11 range.67 Why so high? The answer is simple: On the day of the attack there was essentially no wind, only a slight breeze.68 For this same reason nearly all of the perimeter wall’s design capacity was available to help support the gravity load. As the NIST report states, “On September 11, 2001 the wind loads were minimal, thus providing significantly more reserve for the exterior walls.”69 When NIST crunched the numbers for a representative perimeter column in WTC-1 (column 151, between the 93rd and 98th floors), they arrived at a factor of safety of 5.7.70 Assuming this average figure is a typical value we arrive at a reasonable estimate of the perimeter wall’s amazing reserve capacity. Even if we subtract those columns severed/damaged by the impact of Flight 175, and the lost capacity due to the alleged (but unproven) buckling along the eastern perimeter wall, there was still a wide margin of safety, more than enough by several times over to support the outer wall’s share of the gravity load, with plenty to spare.71 I must emphasize: These are not my numbers. They are NIST’s own figures.

The WTC’s tremendous reserve capacity was no secret. In 1964, four years before the start of construction, an article about the planned WTC appeared in the Engineering News-Record. The article declared that “live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2,000 percent before failure occurs.”72 A careful reading of the piece also gives insight into why the plane impacts were not fatal to the integrity of the outer wall. The reason is simple: the perimeter columns were designed to function together as an enormous truss, specifically, a Vierendeel truss. The wall was inherently stable. After the plane impacts it behaved like an arch, simply transferring the load to the surrounding columns. As the 1964 article states,

“the WTC towers will have an inherent capacity to resist unforeseen calamities. This capacity stems from its Vierendeel wall system and is enhanced through the use of high-strength steels.”73

In short, NIST’s own data fails to support its conclusions about the cause of the WTC collapse. The official theory requires the fatal weakening of both sets of columns, and NIST came up short on both counts due to insufficient evidence. Indeed, I would call it woefully insufficient.

Notes:

61 NIST NCSTAR 1, Full Summary Report, WTC Investigation p. 144.

62 In the code his was sub-article 1002.0, adequacy of the structural design. See NIST NCSTAR 1-1A, WTC Investigation, p. 32.

63 Conversation with Ron Hamburger, structural engineer, Dec 7, 2006.

64 NIST NCSTAR 1-2, WTC Investigation, p. 66.

65 In the NIST report the reserve capacity data is expressed in the form of demand/capacity ratios, which is simply another way of expressing the factor of safety. I use the latter because I feel it’s more comprehensible to the average lay person. Personal communication, December 14, 2006. See NIST NCSTAR WTC Investigation 1-6, Figure 8-9, p. 233.

66 NIST NCSTAR 1-2, WTC Investigation, p. 66.

67 NIST NCSTAR 1-2, WTC Investigation, p. cxii; also see NIST NCSTAR 1-2, WTC Investigation, p. 84. 

68 The NIST report states: “on the day of the attack the towers were subjected to in-service live loads (a fraction of the design live loads) and minimal wind loads.” NIST NCSTAR 1-2 WTC Investigation, p. liv.

69 NIST NCSTAR 1-2, WTC Investigation, p. 66.

70 I received clarification about this from the NIST WTC Investigation Team. Personal communication, December 14, 2006. The number 5.7 is derived from values presented in Figure 4-35, NIST NCSTAR 1-6, WTC Investigation, p. 101. 

71 NIST NCSTAR 1-2, WTC Investigation, p. 66.

72 “How Columns Will Be Designed for 110-Story Buildings,” Engineering News-Record, April 2, 1964.

73 Ibid.
 
But waitaminute... How's any calculated capacity supposed to matter when the presumption is an intact structure? If he's discussing the WTC columns, then he's disucssing a system where the vertical columns are meant to only handle pure vertical loads, and loads during the collapse were eccentric. Furthermore, the WTC columns had no capacity whatsoever when the floor assemblies were torn away, and that's really the key to understanding 9/11: Most of the falling debris severed the floors, and when those went, the load capacity of the columns became a moot point since they couldn't stay in place on their own without the floors to hold them up.

So my question is: how does any of what he writes matter?
 
I stopped bothering to listen to him when he vigorously claimed that there was no creep AT ALL in the towers. This was after he claimed to have read the entire NIST report including NCSTAR 1-6D and that it didn't mention creep.

The man is a blatant liar and I'd have to personally verify it if he said that the sun rose this morning.
 
I wish to god some of these nuts would go to structural engineering school and THEN tell us how it all should have worked. Those of us who actually DID endure the pain of structural analysis, steel design, and reinforced concrete design courses don't like having our brains bleed our our ears reading this carp. :(
 
But waitaminute... How's any calculated capacity supposed to matter when the presumption is an intact structure? If he's discussing the WTC columns, then he's disucssing a system where the vertical columns are meant to only handle pure vertical loads, and loads during the collapse were eccentric. Furthermore, the WTC columns had no capacity whatsoever when the floor assemblies were torn away, and that's really the key to understanding 9/11: Most of the falling debris severed the floors, and when those went, the load capacity of the columns became a moot point since they couldn't stay in place on their own without the floors to hold them up.

So my question is: how does any of what he writes matter?

Thanks. This makes a lot of sense even to a layperson like myself.
 
The correct in-service, pre-impact Factor of Safety of core columns is 1.94, not 2.1. You could attempt to build some kind of aggregate DCR for both core and perimeter, but this number would not really be meaningful.

NIST's report, particularly NCSTAR1-6D, details how this DCR steadily climbed over time due to, primarily, creep. 2.1 is close enough to 1.94 that I might let it slide. 2.1 is also not nearly enough reserve capacity to prevent this kind of collapse.

Wayne Trumpman is a name you rarely see. He's one of the buffoons who worked with Hoffman on absurd estimates of explosive yield in the "thermally expanding cloud" early in collapse. I haven't heard a single other thing from him until now.

Same for Gaffney. He's a nobody, and after so many years and so little output, is just playing a game. Don't play his game.
 
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I stopped bothering to listen to him when he vigorously claimed that there was no creep AT ALL in the towers. This was after he claimed to have read the entire NIST report including NCSTAR 1-6D and that it didn't mention creep.

The man is a blatant liar and I'd have to personally verify it if he said that the sun rose this morning.


He said what?? :confused: His statement is refutable by simply running a search in Acrobat:

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ETA: For the record, there are 753 references to "creep" in all the NIST reports (link is to my Photobucket account's screenshot of an Acrobat search I ran on my NIST report folder). Granted, quite a few of them are only background mentions (such as citations of standard creep curves, but most of them on on topic.
 
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Here's the gist of it:



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Basically Gaffney's trying to throw a bunch of numbers at us laypeople in an attempt to win us over with his "expertise", while of course vigorously avoiding any debate with actual architects and engineers. Standard tactic for him.

I think it might need a little more work here:

"Folks, 2.1 is a whopping number "
 
Thanks. This makes a lot of sense even to a layperson like myself.

You're welcome. You'll also want to read the post Ryan linked (it was to one of his own previous posts) where he goes into more detail about the Demand Capacity Ratio, and also points out the same thing about the floors that I did:
This Factor of Safety was further reduced by impact, as you can read in NCSTAR1-6D. This is the parameter I referred to in our debate, as you will see when it's complete.

It's also totally irrelevant to the collapse, once again, because the mechanism of collapse removes supporting elements from the columns, and this reduces or eliminates their strength. The bulk of debris does not land squarely on the columns in the first place. The more relevant resistance is that of the floor system, which can support -- according to Tony -- a maximum 29 million pounds, or less than 45% of the mass of the upper block at the start of the collapse, and getting steadily worse as the descending material snowballs.
 
He said what?? :confused: His statement is refutable by simply running a search in Acrobat:

He said it here
: (01-26-2010 10:06pm
Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am
The buildings were very strong as built. I don't think anyone who is knowledgeable on the subject has said otherwise. That they both initially withstood the impacts from airliners at what amounts to roughly 4 times the original estimates of what might happen by accident shows this to any rational person. Most of the people who claim that they should have remained standing ignore the fires and the creep that those fires caused.

There are no other buildings to compare these buildings against. This means that much of what happened that day was by definition "The first". It's a logical fallacy to use the "The first time that X happened" argument as an example of something nefarious when something actually is "The first" to start off with.


Creep? What creep?

NIST recovered two core columns from the impact zone of WTC 2.

NIST found no evidence on these columns of any deformations, sagging, bowing, slumping on these columns -- what you would expect if fire caused them to fail.

Nor did NIST find any fire-caused deformations on any other columns.

In summary -- NIST presented zero evidence in their report that the fires caused the steel columns to fail. I repeat. zero. That is a fact to anyone who has read the report (beyond the executive summary).

You can't make this stuff up.
 
For the record, the "two core columns from the impact zone of WTC 2" that NIST recovered were in fact two fragments of a single column, one that was fractured and broken off at impact. There's no way they could have experienced creep during the fire, because they weren't even loaded.

I've put my foot down before, and I'll do it again: There are no knowledgeable people arguing on behalf of the Truth Movement. Don't waste your time.
 

He said it here
: (01-26-2010 10:06pm


You can't make this stuff up.

"NIST found no evidence on these columns of any deformations, sagging, bowing, slumping on these columns"?? Forget NCSTAR 1-6D, did he read 1-3C at all? Even I know where to find that, and I've never read the entire report!

Good grief... it's one thing to make an argument, it's a whole other thing entirely to try and state something refutable by a simple search. NCSTAR 1-3C specifically exists to list these sorts of distortions of the steel columns; that's why the subreport's name is "Damage and Failure Modes of Structural Steel Components"! I mean, my God, it's even got pictures! I'm serious! There is actual photography of representative steel elements, including core columns, perimeter columns and panels, trusses, spandrel plates, and all sorts of other steel assemblies that had been present in the towers. That report's name makes its contents obvious, but yet he tries to say that?

Lone Bolt: Gaffney seems to be good "ignore list" material on whatever forum you're seeing him post on. He's stated a pair of outright falsehoods that are easily refutable by going to the source material and looking for one's self, like I did. He's wrong about NIST not finding any evidence of "deformations..." etc., and he's dead wrong about their report not mentioning creep. He sounds like a guy willing to retail lies about the topic, and combating every single falsehood will turn you into nothing other than a data aggregator and collator. I'd just point out a couple of outright lies as representative - such as these, since you already have the material refuting you in front of you - and then tell him "bye bye". He seems to be the sort of person too lazy to drown people in accurate detail, so therfore makes things up and tries to sound authoritative about it. He's not worth interacting with. Not when he pitches out easily hittable softballs like these.
 
I usually don't bother with Gaffney, but sometimes he posts something and I'm curious about it's accuracy, and other times he posts such nonsense that I can't resist pointing it out just to see how he'll respond. His logic is so twisted sometimes it's really fascinating.
 
The correct in-service, pre-impact Factor of Safety of core columns is 1.94, not 2.1. You could attempt to build some kind of aggregate DCR for both core and perimeter, but this number would not really be meaningful.

NIST's report, particularly NCSTAR1-6D, details how this DCR steadily climbed over time due to, primarily, creep. 2.1 is close enough to 1.94 that I might let it slide. 2.1 is also not nearly enough reserve capacity to prevent this kind of collapse.

Wayne Trumpman is a name you rarely see. He's one of the buffoons who worked with Hoffman on absurd estimates of explosive yield in the "thermally expanding cloud" early in collapse. I haven't heard a single other thing from him until now.

Same for Gaffney. He's a nobody, and after so many years and so little output, is just playing a game. Don't play his game.

Ryan, you have agreed that the weight of the upper section in WTC 1 is approximately 69 million lbs. per Gregory Urich's mass analysis.

We know the cross sectional areas, shapes, and yield strengths of the central core columns, as that information was released by the NIST in 2007 and can be found here http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/nist-core-column-data.

At the 98th floor, which was the collapse initiation floor in WTC 1, the total core column cross sectional area was 2,645 sq. inches. The yield strength of the columns was a minimum of 36,000 psi.

If the factor of safety for the core columns was 1.94, then that means the core was supporting a load of (36,000 psi x 2,645)/1.94 = 49,082,474 lbs. This works out to an approximate load split with the perimeter of 60/40, with the core taking 60% of the gravity load.

Now the ASTM A36 columns actually tested had a yield strength of about 39,000 psi, and the since their slenderness ratios were low the buckling strength of these columns was close to their yield strength, so nothing was happening below about 36,000 psi. Additionally, about 40% of the core columns were actually 42,000 psi yield strength at the 98th floor.

There is a problem with the central core taking 60% of the gravity load with a smaller cross sectional area, since it was reported in the Engineering News Record that the unit stress was kept the same for both the core and perimeter columns at each story to alleviate floor warpage due to differential deflections. You can see the article here http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/eng-news-record.htm, in case you have never read it.

Additionally, the NIST has admitted that the perimeter columns never had a wall thickness less than .250" at any height and thus a minimum total cross section for the perimeter at the 98th floor would have been 3,245 sq. inches (using Gregory Urich's analysis I calculated a wall thickness at the 98th floor of .289 inches and a total cross section of 3,682 sq. inches). We also know the columns there were at least 55,000 psi yield strength, per the Engineering News Record article and the NIST report. A 20 million lb. load on the 3.245 sq. inch minimum total cross sectional area only produces a stress of 6,163 psi. This means the perimeter columns would have had a minimum factor of safety for gravity utilization of about 9.00. This does not seem right and many have calculated a gravity utilization of about 20% for the perimeter columns, which equates to a factor of safety of 5.00.

As the wall thickness of the perimeter columns would have probably been greater than the minimum .250" at the 98th floor (12 floors below the roof) the higher estimate of the total cross section of the perimeter should be used and a perimeter to core cross sectional area ratio was approximately 3,682/2,645 = 58/42.

It would seem that the actual gravity load split was something like 58/42 but with the perimeter columns taking 58% and the core 42%, as this keeps the unit stress the same. However, it also shows the factor of safety in the core was significantly higher than 1.94. With a cross section of 2,645 sq. inches and 42% of 69 million lbs. to support, the stress on the core columns would have been about 11,000 psi giving a factor of safety of about 3.00. Without knowing exactly what the NIST actually used for mass, to determine the DCRs that they came up with for the core columns, it is hard to say. What I can say is that there has to be a difference in what the NIST used and what Gregory Urich's analysis shows.
 
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I offer as conclusive proof of the effectiveness of Ignore, the shockingly high percentage of useless Truthers who continue to respond after being aware they are Ignored.

The Truth Movement is all about getting attention. Gaffney is just another who seeks attention, as you can clearly read in his scrawl. If the goal is only to gain attention, then accuracy or plausibility doesn't matter -- the wackier ideas, the better. This is why there is a such thing as a Truth Movement in the first place.

Don't give them what they want. Just nod and pass by, exactly like you'd respond to the unwashed gentleman spouting random Bible quotations on the subway.
 
If Gregory Urich's mass analysis is correct (and based on a comparison of the mass per unit area he came up with for the towers to that of other buildings of the era it seems to be) then the factor of safety of the core columns is significantly higher than what the NIST or even Mark Gaffney show.

If Gregory's analysis is correct, and the unit stress was kept the same on the core and perimeter columns at each story to alleviate differential deflection and floor warpage between the core and perimeter, then the real factor of safety of the core columns was in the 3.00 to 1 range and the perimeter columns 5.00 to 1 for gravity loading without wind or seismic loads.

Arguing for faith in the NIST model, with no full disclosure of the specifics of that model, does not make for a logical argument.

For the NIST DCRs and factors of safety to be correct they must have used the previously assumed tower mass of 500,000,000 kg (550,000 tons). Gregory Urich's analysis shows the full tower masses to be 288,100,000 kg (317,500 tons) which puts the mass per unit area at 626 kg/sq. meter. The John Hancock Center building has a mass per unit area of 670 kg/sq. meter and the Sears Tower a mass per unit area of 476 kg/sq. meter. If the 500,000,000 kg mass was actually true for the twin towers their mass per unit area would have been 1088 kg/sq. meter and much closer to the 1299 kg/sq. meter mass per unit area of the masonary heavy Empire State Building. This has to be extremely unlikely as the towers were touted at the time they were built for their strength to weight ratio and relatively lightweight design.

It seems that the NIST got the DCRs and factors of safety wrong by using an incorrect building mass per unit area.
 
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Here's the gist of it:

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Basically Gaffney's trying to throw a bunch of numbers at us laypeople in an attempt to win us over with his "expertise", while of course vigorously avoiding any debate with actual architects and engineers. Standard tactic for him.
The truth about these failed engineers or engineer want to be, they ignore the impact damage, and the fires and always use the full up strength of the towers. How they ignore the heat energy of the jet fuel equal to 315 tons of TNT which started fires on multiple floors, not the typical office fire which spreads in hours, but the giant fire which spread in seconds.

With failed papers like the missing jolt from the woo Journal of 911 chaired by the insane claims to thermite Jones, we have want to be Pulitzer Prize winning claims backed with stupidity and anti-intellectual hearsay dustified into moronic delusions of the realcddeal, and faster than free-fall. Or the soon to be famous, 2/3 or 70 percent is good enough to be 100 percent!
The only thing faster than free-fall is the intelligence level required to fall for the lies of 911 truth.
 

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