"Freefall"

[GlennB]

From "What we saw"
WTC7 on the left.

A little later, the "spire"

Any help from physicists gratefully received.

The intermediate shots and timings are available at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903

Apologies if you've seen all this stuff before .. it's fairly new to me and still somewhat shocking.

 

[Brainster]

Yeah, the umbrella effect of the debris debunks the freefall claim pretty conclusively, but that's a nice photo all the same.

As for the Spire, check out 9-11 Eyewitness for a pretty good view of the one from the North Tower. I suspect looking at the angle that it fell, that's what hit the Winter Garden/WFC #3.

 

[Toro]

But don't tell that to the Foilers!

 

[Mancman]

Yeah, the umbrella effect of the debris debunks the freefall claim pretty conclusively, but that's a nice photo all the same.

As for the Spire, check out 9-11 Eyewitness for a pretty good view of the one from the North Tower. I suspect looking at the angle that it fell, that's what hit the Winter Garden/WFC #3.

The Winter Garden was hit by perimeter columns though, not core.

 

[einsteen]

The freefall argument is a big misunderstanding of course, they didn't go down as free fall. Even wtc7 doesn't go with free-fall speed, that differs 0.6 seonds.

 

[60hzxtl]

Winter Garden? So much for "in its own footprint" too!

 

[Dog Town]

The freefall argument is a big misunderstanding of course, they didn't go down as free fall. Even wtc7 doesn't go with free-fall speed, that differs 0.6 seonds.

Goal Post anyone? That's why they aren't on wheels, in the real world. Hard to move! I would also bet, that by looking at your post's the " free fall "misunderstatement, has been used by you! Just a question, did you time the collapse from when the penthouse started falling? You might wanna check that! Or not...

 

[einsteen]

I've seen the time sequence from the NIST report

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I've seen the time sequence from the NIST report

and what did NIST measure the time of?

 

[einsteen]

free fall would be about 5.95 seconds. The bulk goes in about 6.5 seconds and the total time ( I just rechecked) is about 8.2 seconds then. I'm sure that if you take everything into account (damage of inner structure etc) it will be much more but that is a matter of definition of course, this is the visible collapse.

 

[GlennB]

The freefall argument is a big misunderstanding of course, they didn't go down as free fall. Even wtc7 doesn't go with free-fall speed, that differs 0.6 seonds.

No it differs several seconds The E penthouse falls into the building several seconds before global collapse.
Why? My guess is that whatever was holding it up is no longer holding it up. Girders and stuff like that.

 

[Alareth]

No it differs several seconds The E penthouse falls into the building several seconds before global collapse.
Why? My guess is that whatever was holding it up is no longer holding it up. Girders and stuff like that.

That pesky gravity...

 

[twinstead]

By the way, what is the standard reason given for the so-called demolition of WTC7 by the CTs?

For the life of me I can't see any reason at all for that particular building to be demolished as part of the Evil Government's Plan. Nobody died, nobody made any money, and it didn't seem add to the terror of the day (some people I've talked to aren't even aware WTC7 fell).

 

[einsteen]

One thing is sure, it falls because the things that hold it up cannot longer hold it up.

 

[Pardalis]

One thing is sure, it falls because the things that hold it up cannot longer hold it up.

words of wisdom

 

[Alareth]

By the way, what is the standard reason given for the so-called demolition of WTC7 by the CTs?

For the life of me I can't see any reason at all for that particular building to be demolished as part of the Evil Government's Plan. Nobody died, nobody made any money, and it didn't seem add to the terror of the day (some people I've talked to aren't even aware WTC7 fell).

Various reasons I've seen revolve around destroying federal documents stored in the building or destroying Guliani's "bunker" to eliminate evidence that the attacks were staged and controlled from there.

 

[Gravy]

free fall would be about 5.95 seconds. The bulk goes in about 6.5 seconds and the total time ( I just rechecked) is about 8.2 seconds then. I'm sure that if you take everything into account (damage of inner structure etc) it will be much more but that is a matter of definition of course, this is the visible collapse.

Again, your reading comprehension is poor. The NIST time of 8.2 seconds is the time from the start of the collapse of the east penthouse to the START of global collapse, i.e. when the whole roof starts falling. Add your 6.6 seconds to the 8.2 and you've got 14.8 seconds, nearly 2.5 times longer than "freefall."

 

[Skibum]

Various reasons I've seen revolve around destroying federal documents stored in the building or destroying Guliani's "bunker" to eliminate evidence that the attacks were staged and controlled from there.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just break out the shredder.

 

[Gravy]

Various reasons I've seen revolve around destroying federal documents stored in the building or destroying Guliani's "bunker" to eliminate evidence that the attacks were staged and controlled from there.

I believe Einsteen was trying to claim that building 7 was pre-wired with explosives in case it needed to be brought down some day due to the kind of irreparable damage it suffered on 9/11. I'd love for him to elaborate on that idea.

 

[twinstead]

Wouldn't it have been easier to just break out the shredder.

A shredder isn't quite as cool as secretly wired buildings and dark government plots.

You obviously aren't thinking outside the box.