Forum consensus, employee who refuses to close bathroom door .

[Joe Random]

Would it be simpler just to ask him to work from home?

Dave

Easier answer : next time he goes and leaves the door open have the most physically proximate employee start coughing very loudly in his direction. Bonus if that employee can fake a realistic wet sneeze.

 

[abaddon]

So, you sound like a lawyer. Aren't warning letters basically necessary to avoid litigation? Showing that there is a pattern of behavior worthy of firing and what not.

Oh sure. First warning, second warning and so forth. There is a procedure to be followed for dismissal. If, however, said disgruntled employee gets wind of this thread, he/she could easily purloin this thread into an existential plot against said employee. And rack up the big bucks.

Think that does not happen? Guess again. I have operated in a court of law as an expert witness in cases of exactly that. Employees making absurd claims against their employer for no reason other than to extract money.

 

[plague311]

Oh sure. First warning, second warning and so forth. There is a procedure to be followed for dismissal. If, however, said disgruntled employee gets wind of this thread, he/she could easily purloin this thread into an existential plot against said employee. And rack up the big bucks.

Think that does not happen? Guess again. I have operated in a court of law as an expert witness in cases of exactly that. Employees making absurd claims against their employer for no reason other than to extract money.

Said employee or the name of the business was never mentioned. There is absolutely no way he could claim it caused him any damage at all. It would be impossible.

ETA: There are 350+ million people in the US. Even if the description of the individual included hair color it wouldn't be able to be used. There's nothing to specifically identify him or prove that he suffered damage to his reputation or income. In fact, I'd assume that several companies even have someone that acts this same way which means he'd have to prove it wasn't one of the x amount of other people doing this and it was specifically him. Generic lawsuits that claim damage without any supporting evidence to indicate it was him being targeted are thrown out before they get to trial, for the most part.

 

[Craig4]

Warn him about harassment for creating a hostile work environment. If he does it again, show him the door. When he comes back from his union time off, show him the door when he does it again. It won't take long, the problem employee will most likely stay that way. Since I have worked in a union environment for 20+ years, I understand the issues.

This is the best way to go. A few years ago we fired a rather senior manager for changing in his office without closing the blinds. The guy fought it but he didn't have much of a case.

 

[autumn1971]

If the door is open then walk in and pee on him.

 

[The Atheist]

I'm guessing no participants in the thread so far have ever used a pissoir.

 

[plague311]

I'm guessing no participants in the thread so far have ever used a pissoir.

I think the big difference is people are using those as designed, while this individual is not using the space as designed. No one is contesting that there are public methods of urination. There is a time and place for everything.

I'm sure I could manage to eat soup with a fork, but that's not its design.

 

[The Atheist]

I think the big difference is people are using those as designed, while this individual is not using the space as designed.

I'd argue that if it doesn't have a self-closing door, he is.

No one is contesting that there are public methods of urination. There is a time and place for everything.

When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

I'm sure I could manage to eat soup with a fork, but that's not its design.

Terrible analogy. The toilet is being used for exactly what it was designed for. He just doesn't shut the door, and you can't claim doors were designed to be shut if you walk through them.

Anyway, legally, the only thing that matters is if it's a rule, then it's a rule.

It's just another amusing Americanism. I like the way Americans are so squeamish about someone having a piss - even though you can't see his dick - but have few qualms about unleashing drone strikes to the tune of dozens of dead civilians every week or so.

 

[Scopedog]

?

I think you know what it means?

You said "horniness frequently overrides reason."

In context, it seems to imply that horniness overrides reason some significant proportion of the time. Since this thread is about using the bathroom with the door open at work, it also implies to me that you believe horniness frequently overrides reason at work. If this were true, I think there would be alot more horniness/fetishism-related disciplinary actions in the work population. Perhaps most aren't reported or aren't investigated or aren't prosecuted. I'm skeptical. I think many people are horny alot of the time, even at work, and I think the vast majority are able to restrain themselves from expressing their horniness/fetishes, verbally or physically, the vast majority of the time. Therefore horniness rarely overrides reason. Or perhaps between extremely attractive, sexy coworkers it's something that happens frequently (perhap this is your experience- I don't know if you're extremely attractive and sexy). Or perhaps some women perceive it to be happening more frequently than it's actually happening. All this could be wrong.

Please define "frequently".

 

[eeyore1954]

To all - not hot, #1 so far, door wide open.

Other bathroom users can enter the bathroom exterior by key, including state of Ca. employees who are on site, LGBT individuals along with us boring types.

This issue started with the EIQ entering the BR through my office and leaving both doors open while they did their thing. Immediately informed them that they must close both doors while using other facilities - and the fight was on.

This person claims a 170 IQ - on their resume - and it's been a long running **** show since his hiring in 2016. I wanted to can them before the end of their probationary period, but the GM though they'ed straighten up. At some point I'll make a detailed post in Community detailing the carnival of idiocy this person drags along with them.

They're getting a formal warning letter this afternoon. I'll report later.

Who ever heard of someone putting their alleged iq on a resume.

I guess they are smart enough to recognize that going number one (or two) is a completely natural function that doesn’t need to be hidden. If you don’t believe me ask my dog or cat or a cow or a horse or ...
Going number three though that is unnatural and should be hidden or at least shunned.

 

[Puppycow]

While using the facilities?

I've got one I supervise. Given written notice 28th February of company policy, walk in on them yesterday afternoon.

Is this a new thing I've somehow missed out on? Individual in question is in my age group.

Progressive discipline as provided for in the union contract.

Any new developments?

When in doubt, I suggest going 100% by the rulebook, for your own sake. If you let it slide for too long, it could be your own job that is in jeopardy. I understand not wanting to be a hardass, but it's one of the less pleasant responsibilities that comes with being someone's boss.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Three little words that have saved many people drama over the years: poison-spraying toilet.

 

[plague311]

I'd argue that if it doesn't have a self-closing door, he is.

This appears to be an isolated incident that happens only with this employee. He's been written up for it and talked to previously. Obviously a policy that he's refusing to acknowledge.

When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

Uhm, ok. That's...definitely a group of words. Not sure their relevance but there they are.

Terrible analogy. The toilet is being used for exactly what it was designed for. He just doesn't shut the door, and you can't claim doors were designed to be shut if you walk through them.

But the stall isn't being used exactly for what it was designed for, is it? Again, this is isolated to him. It's not a companywide issue. It's something that has also been addressed with him.

Anyway, legally, the only thing that matters is if it's a rule, then it's a rule.

Which, had you read the thread, you'd know it is as he's being written up for violating it.

It's just another amusing Americanism. I like the way Americans are so squeamish about someone having a piss - even though you can't see his dick - but have few qualms about unleashing drone strikes to the tune of dozens of dead civilians every week or so.

Yeah, that's us Americans. Just out here condoning drone strikes that kill civilians. If you look through all of the threads all you'll see is us condoning drone strikes while bitching about people taking a piss.

I've said we have troughs, open bathrooms, etc. here and it doesn't bother me. What it is doing is bothering people in that office, apparently, where there's a policy to not do the specific thing he's doing. Insult Americans or imply we're evil all you want. It just makes you look petty and insulting. Nothing more. Though I can try to donate a superhero cape to you for pissing in the open if that's what you feel you need. You guys and your non squeamish society.

 

[Butter!]

You said "horniness frequently overrides reason."

In context, it seems to imply that horniness overrides reason some significant proportion of the time. Since this thread is about using the bathroom with the door open at work, it also implies to me that you believe horniness frequently overrides reason at work. If this were true, I think there would be alot more horniness/fetishism-related disciplinary actions in the work population. Perhaps most aren't reported or aren't investigated or aren't prosecuted. I'm skeptical. I think many people are horny alot of the time, even at work, and I think the vast majority are able to restrain themselves from expressing their horniness/fetishes, verbally or physically, the vast majority of the time. Therefore horniness rarely overrides reason. Or perhaps between extremely attractive, sexy coworkers it's something that happens frequently (perhap this is your experience- I don't know if you're extremely attractive and sexy). Or perhaps some women perceive it to be happening more frequently than it's actually happening. All this could be wrong.

Please define "frequently".

Jeez, it was a tossed-off joke about sex and how some people seem to like it a whole lot. Never thought that was a controversial stance. Jokes about people doing dumb things because they are horny practically make up their own genre.

I never mentioned work. I've never had anybody hit on me at work. I hate to pull this card out, but if you made that above post in earnest, it almost seems as though my gender is affecting how you interpreted my casual remark. I don't know what else to think. "Horniness frequently overrides reason" should not require any support or carry any weird subtext.

If, on the other hand, you were deliberately poking fun at the super-skepticism that can appear around here sometimes, then well-done.

I do consider 'fetish" a viable option when people consistently do odd, body-related things in front of others, despite having been told not to, but that's not because of my own experiences at work. It's because i went to school for psychology, studied a lot of deviant sex ****, and when I apply Occam's broken-record Razor, that comes up. I don't have to define "frequently" because I have no idea and wasn't making a serious statement.

 

[gerdbonk]

If this were true, I think there would be alot more horniness/fetishism-related disciplinary actions in the work population. Perhaps most aren't reported or aren't investigated or aren't prosecuted. I'm skeptical. I think many people are horny alot of the time, even at work, and I think the vast majority are able to restrain themselves from expressing their horniness/fetishes, verbally or physically, the vast majority of the time. Therefore horniness rarely overrides reason. Or perhaps between extremely attractive, sexy coworkers it's something that happens frequently (perhap this is your experience- I don't know if you're extremely attractive and sexy).

I'm not a grammar nazi, but we don't see the highlighted error on these boards a lot.

 

[Butter!]

Sorry if I was way off there, btw. I am seriously on edge with the whole virus situation, and I think it might be clouding my posting judgment. I just noticed that everyone seems to be saying dumb, antagonistic things to me - which leads me to wonder if I'm the one being dumb and antagonistic. Going to go exercise.

 

[Scopedog]

Sorry if I was way off there, btw. I am seriously on edge with the whole virus situation, and I think it might be clouding my posting judgment. I just noticed that everyone seems to be saying dumb, antagonistic things to me - which leads me to wonder if I'm the one being dumb and antagonistic. Going to go exercise.

This level of self-awareness and introspection is laudible.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I'll take up the cause. Horniess does frequently override reason. That doesn't mean there's more horniness than reason going on at any given moment at a workplace. It means that given the opportunity of horniness, it will overthrow reason more often than it won't. An invitation to carnal activities will meet with more accepts than declines.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Sorry if I was way off there, btw. I am seriously on edge with the whole virus situation, and I think it might be clouding my posting judgment. I just noticed that everyone seems to be saying dumb, antagonistic things to me - which leads me to wonder if I'm the one being dumb and antagonistic. Going to go exercise.

It's not you. Enjoy the exercise.