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FLIGHT 93 Shot Down and Lied About? Rumsfeld video.

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Watch this short video first. MUST SEE.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tkGOCpO_cCQ&mode=related&search

From an interview with Lee Hamiliton vice chair of 9/11 Commission:

"We were misled by the FAA and NORAD [North American Aerospace Defense Command]," he says. Neither wanted the American people to know how unprepared they'd been. "When we went to NORAD command center in New York, we found tapes that had not been furnished to the commission. By listening to those tapes, we discovered that their official story didn't add up. So we issued subpoenas and started from scratch."

Regarding United 93, Hamilton says that there is a gap in the accounts of the president's and vice president's actions that day; several minutes at the time that shooting down hijacked planes was discussed have not been accounted for.

"When you have that, you obviously leave an opening for the conspiracy questions," Hamilton notes. "But sometimes you cannot answer every question that is raised. We made a lot of judgments. I don't know if we made all the judgments correctly. The American people demanded from us a kind of airtight evidence. What we ask is that the standard be applied both ways."

http://www.freetimes.com/story/681
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Bush and Cheney's 9/11 Commission testimony.
Bush and Cheney did not testify before the panel -- they were not under oath and there was to be no recording made of the session nor a stenographer in the room.

The two members of the White House counsel's staff were expected to take notes during the session, and the commission members were also allowed to take handwritten notes.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...11.commission/
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Did Rumsfeld slip?

How similar is a plane being shot down and passenger heroes taking control of an aircraft and saving America from a fourth terrorist attack? How would the terrorists have "shot down" the plane - did they have fighter jets too? Those are two completely different concepts with no similarity at all. If you were certain of the Flight 93 story how could you even think of the notion it had been shot down?

What about Cheney?

“Word came that Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Aides frantically called the White House to find out whether a military jet had shot it down.

'The vice president was a little bit ahead of us,’ said Eric Edelman, Cheney's national security advisor. ‘He said sort of softly and to nobody in particular, 'I think an act of heroism just took place on that plane.'"

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/11/ar911.king.cheney/index.html
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So let's try and imagine the situation. Cheney and Rice are in an underground bunker. From the 9/11 Commission Report we know the phone line to the president wasn't working. Cheney had just given shootdown orders. His aides were "frantic". Attacks had already occurred killing thousands. Washington was being evacuated and false reports of every kind were flying everywhere. The aides were trying to find out if our own military had shot the aircraft down. But Cheney says, ".... sort of softly and to nobody in particular, 'I think an act of heroism just took place on that plane.'" Stop and think about that for a second.

What could he have possibly based that statement on? Even his aide noticed Cheney was, “a little bit ahead of us”. I would go so far as to say he was a lot ahead of everybody. There was absolutely no possible way that Cheney was aware of the alleged cell phone calls and most certainly he had not heard the cockpit voice recorder. Where did he get his idea from? Was it a pre-planned story? Was it his cover story for giving illegal shootdown orders without the president's approval?

If it is possible we have been lied to about this, the implications are staggering. Not only lied to but they have propagated and exaggerated the story to legendary proportions.

They have used it for political gain and war support.

If in fact Rumsfeld's "slip", the unaccounted time in Bush and Cheney's 9/11 day related to Flight 93, their refusal to testify under oath, individually with a verbatim account, NORAD'S deception and Cheney's bunker prophecy of the "act of heroism" are related, as I believe it is reasonable to assume, then we have a cover up of magnitude. MAGNITUDE. Not only a cover up but the propagation of a lie to continually deceive the world to this day.

Think about it!
 
I don't buy it.

They were willing to admit that a shootdown order existed. Far from damaging them politically, having to actually do the shootdown would have increased American sympathy for them.

You think about it.
 
Pardalis said:
Didn't we discuss this already?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66233
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Pardalis,

Not in the context of being able to see the video. Also, Lee Hamilton's new comments are recent. Evidence progresses. This particular compilation has not been discussed and warrants an update in my opinion.

This is a potentially huge issue for all aspects of 9/11.

Russell

EDIT: Unless the video has been posted here before which I did not see in search.
 
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well it seems the biggest coverup the govt has going is covering up how unprepared the military was on 9/11, if they had managed to organize a strike and shoot down 93 that would show they WERE able to handle the situation, so i doubt theyd be covering that up

if a military jet did shoot down 93, why did no one report seeing a military plane in the area? (except for susan mcwelwain, whose statements contradict all other relevant witness accounts, as well as ATC and radar data)

was the 93 FDR data released? if so, wouldnt it show evidence of a missile hit?

as for cheneys "act of heroism" it doesnt seem that big of a leap to me, he knows the military didnt do it, 93 didnt crash into any terrorist targets, so assuming the passengers fought back is a logical conclusion
 
OK, just saw the video.

Did he says that al Qaeda shot down the plane in Pennsylvania?

If so, that doesn't make any sense.

I'm pretty sure he mispoke.
 
Russell Pickering said:
How similar is a plane being shot down and passenger heroes taking control of an aircraft and saving America from a fourth terrorist attack? How would the terrorists have "shot down" the plane - did they have fighter jets too? Those are two completely different concepts with no similarity at all. If you were certain of the Flight 93 story how could you even think of the notion it had been shot down?

What about Cheney?
Cheney had just given shootdown orders.

What could he have possibly based that statement on? Even his aide noticed Cheney was, “a little bit ahead of us”. I would go so far as to say he was a lot ahead of everybody. There was absolutely no possible way that Cheney was aware of the alleged cell phone calls and most certainly he had not heard the cockpit voice recorder. Where did he get his idea from? Was it a pre-planned story? Was it his cover story for giving illegal shootdown orders without the president's approval?

They have used it for political gain and war support.

If in fact Rumsfeld's "slip", the unaccounted time in Bush and Cheney's 9/11 day related to Flight 93, their refusal to testify under oath, individually with a verbatim account, NORAD'S deception and Cheney's bunker prophecy of the "act of heroism" are related, as I believe it is reasonable to assume, then we have a cover up of magnitude. MAGNITUDE. Not only a cover up but the propagation of a lie to continually deceive the world to this day.
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1. I don't really argue much on the "shoot down" subject because if it was shot down, what is the point of covering it up when it is procedure? Seems like he just slipped for no reason. I do that stuff often, big deal.

2. Evidence Cheny gave shootdown orders? And no I don't want to hear the "do the orders still stand?" intel that doesn't provide any proof that Cheney gave a shootdown or standown order.

3. Was Cheney making a guess? That's what happens when people say "I think"

4. Refusal? I thought that they didn't have to. And NORAD's deception was because they didn't want to seem like they were unprepared, yes?
 
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FLIGHT 93 Shot Down and Lied About? Rumsfeld video.

Does this mean you have not seen flight 93 FDR

No engine problem

No problems what so ever

Just a steep dive at over 500 KIAS

So, you have the VDR, and CDR that prove the plane went down without a missile.

Have you ananylis the CDR? Maybe I am wrong, what parameter on the FDR shows it was shot down?
 
boloboffin said:
I don't buy it.

They were willing to admit that a shootdown order existed. Far from damaging them politically, having to actually do the shootdown would have increased American sympathy for them.

You think about it.
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Address the evidence.

1) Rumsfeld video.
2) Vice chair of the 9/11 Commission's statements.
3) NORAD's cover up with the 9/11 Commission.
4) Cheney predicting an act of heroism with no information to do so.
5) Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath, individually with a verbatim account.

Yes admitting it would have been no problem unless the shootdown orders were illegal which is possible.

If it is a cover up of this them you have to understand the entire Flight 93 story including all of the movies and documentaries are false. Then think about doing this to the families.
 
From Newsweek.

Nor did the real-time notes taken by two others in the room, Cheney's chief of staff, "Scooter" Libby—who is known for his meticulous record-keeping—or Cheney's wife, Lynne, reflect that such a phone call between Bush and Cheney occurred or that such a major decision as shooting down a U.S. airliner was discussed. Bush and Cheney later testified the president gave the order. And national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice and a military aide said they remembered a call, but gave few specifics. The report concluded "there is no documentary evidence for this call."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5251871/site/newsweek/
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If the orders were illegal then it is possible the Flight 93 story is a tragic and deceptive cover up.

This can not be minimized with rhetoric.
 
Russell Pickering said:
But Cheney says, ".... sort of softly and to nobody in particular, 'I think an act of heroism just took place on that plane.'" Stop and think about that for a second.

What could he have possibly based that statement on? Even his aide noticed Cheney was, “a little bit ahead of us”. I would go so far as to say he was a lot ahead of everybody. There was absolutely no possible way that Cheney was aware of the alleged cell phone calls and most certainly he had not heard the cockpit voice recorder. Where did he get his idea from? Was it a pre-planned story? Was it his cover story for giving illegal shootdown orders without the president's approval?
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Or maybe it was the most reasonable explanation for the crash?

If it is possible we have been lied to about this, the implications are staggering. Not only lied to but they have propagated and exaggerated the story to legendary proportions.
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Is there some law that says that all CT posts must contain either "compelling" or "staggering" or both?
 
beachnut said:
FLIGHT 93 Shot Down and Lied About? Rumsfeld video.

Does this mean you have not seen flight 93 FDR

No engine problem

No problems what so ever

Just a steep dive at over 500 KIAS

So, you have the VDR, and CDR that prove the plane went down without a missile.

Have you ananylis the CDR? Maybe I am wrong, what parameter on the FDR shows it was shot down?
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Two times have been given for the termination of that flight - 10:03 and 10:06. 3 minutes discrepancy.
 
beachnut said:
FLIGHT 93 Shot Down and Lied About? Rumsfeld video.

Does this mean you have not seen flight 93 FDR

No engine problem

No problems what so ever

Just a steep dive at over 500 KIAS

So, you have the VDR, and CDR that prove the plane went down without a missile.

Have you ananylis the CDR? Maybe I am wrong, what parameter on the FDR shows it was shot down?
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Russell Pickering said:
Two times have been given for the termination of that flight - 10:03 and 10:06. 3 minutes discrepancy.
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What Russell is saying he can't answer those points so he's thought more siht against the wall hoping it will stick.
 
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