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Firefox and JREF Forum

DavidJames

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I use Firefox as my browser. About once a week when browsing these forums Firefox will stop working with the forum. It starts loading and hangs. All the other sites I normally visit work fine. Sometimes it's resolved by closing and restarting Firefox, but not always. I'm submitting this on I.E. now while I watch Firefox waiting :)

I could go to Mozilla with this question, but I thought maybe other Firefox users here may have the same issue and have a resolution.

Anyone?
 
I think it is a forum problem. I've had the same problem with IE.
 
I have problems with Opera sometimes only rendering part of a page but never any problems with Firefox (when I get Firefox to run).
 
I tend to see very slow/choppy updates from the forum today. But that's probably because their server or their ISP (or even my ISP) is having 'issues'. Other sites work fine.

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And then it cleared up when I submitted the post.
 
"choppy" :) I like that. Yes on I.E. the forum has been choppy. On Firefox it's not available at all. It must be the way Firefox does/doesn't deal with such behavior from the JREF Server/ISP
 
I'm running on Firefox tonight and it seems OK. (I've sent an email to Jeff to let him know the forum is "choppy".)
 
DavidJames said:
I use Firefox as my browser. About once a week when browsing these forums Firefox will stop working with the forum. It starts loading and hangs. All the other sites I normally visit work fine. Sometimes it's resolved by closing and restarting Firefox, but not always. I'm submitting this on I.E. now while I watch Firefox waiting :)

I could go to Mozilla with this question, but I thought maybe other Firefox users here may have the same issue and have a resolution.

Anyone?
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I get the exact same problem. I'll think JREF is down but simply by closing and reloading FF, it will come up...ususally slowly. It's something about the JREF/FF interface.
 
DavidJames said:
Firefox users here may have the same issue and have a resolution.

Anyone?
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Firefox does have problems rendering PHP pages at times. This was an issue throughout the Beta releases. It is much better than it was, but the problem still arises on occasion. I was hopeful that the issue would be resolved by the time it went Alpha.

Still, it is a wonderful browser. Post a bug report as I have. The more voices raised, the more likely they are to prioritize a fix.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
This is what you get from using a non-standard browser. How dare you use anything but IE?
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Aww, we just like the lack of features like adware. ;)
 
Re: Re: Firefox and JREF Forum

BLACK HAT said:
Firefox does have problems rendering PHP pages at times. This was an issue throughout the Beta releases. It is much better than it was, but the problem still arises on occasion. I was hopeful that the issue would be resolved by the time it went Alpha.

Still, it is a wonderful browser. Post a bug report as I have. The more voices raised, the more likely they are to prioritize a fix.
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Indeed, I really like Firefox and have installed it on all our home computers. I've also convinced a friend of mine to standardize his small business on it as well.
 
Darat said:
I'm running on Firefox tonight and it seems OK. (I've sent an email to Jeff to let him know the forum is "choppy".)
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Employee: "The email system is down, boss."

Boss: "Send me an email about it."

True story.
 
Re: Re: Firefox and JREF Forum

BLACK HAT said:
Firefox does have problems rendering PHP pages at times. This was an issue throughout the Beta releases. It is much better than it was, but the problem still arises on occasion. I was hopeful that the issue would be resolved by the time it went Alpha.
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Not sure I understand. A browser should never see php, should it? It should only see the html that php outputs. If the html is wrong, that's surely not the fault of the browser.

And how does alpha come after beta?

Cheers,
Rat.
 
Re: Re: Firefox and JREF Forum

BLACK HAT said:
Firefox does have problems rendering PHP pages at times.
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Huh?

Pages are HTML (or XML), PHP is a CGI language that is interpreted by the web server to genertate HTML. Do you mean pages generated from PHP don't render properly? That sounds like it's a PHP problem rather than firefox if you ask me (yeah sure, arguments that browsers should handle any old junk sent to them for another thread).


The problems with the forum sounds to me like either the forum web server(s) or the ISP connection to them is overloaded giving spurious content timeouts (HTTP is asynchronous so some bits of the page might be taking too long to come down and are ingored or abandoned by the browser)
 
(yeah sure, arguments that browsers should handle any old junk sent to them for another thread).
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I've dealt with a few sites where problems have been hidden from the developers because the browsers they used happened to not squeal about particular faults in their HTML.

I'll make an entirely unsubstantiated claim that sites showing problems like that are more prevalent than sites struggling because browsers aren't coping with properly formatted HTML.
 
Re: Re: Re: Firefox and JREF Forum

DavidJames said:
Indeed, I really like Firefox and have installed it on all our home computers. I've also convinced a friend of mine to standardize his small business on it as well.
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I've read good reviews of it. I'm gonna give it a spin. (Don't tell Mr. Gates. I'm a part owner of the company, and it wouldn't look good)
 
I've encountered this problem as well, and only discovered last week that I could fix the problem by restarting the browser. Pretty weird. For me it only manifests after the thing's been running a few days, which in ye olden days of Windows wasn't a problem, of course ;)
 
Benguin said:
I've dealt with a few sites where problems have been hidden from the developers because the browsers they used happened to not squeal about particular faults in their HTML.

I'll make an entirely unsubstantiated claim that sites showing problems like that are more prevalent than sites struggling because browsers aren't coping with properly formatted HTML.
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If you install firefox in "expert mode" in windows (or just insall in in linux) you get the "DOM inspector" - this is a VERY cool tool for web developement. Serialises out the entire DOM model of the page, lets you target an item on the rendered page and drills down to the code etc. Love it.
 
Benguin said:
I've dealt with a few sites where problems have been hidden from the developers because the browsers they used happened to not squeal about particular faults in their HTML.
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I can't resist the plug:

http://validator.w3.org/

This validator will test any (X)HTML page (even if it's on your hard disk) and report all errors, giving suggestions on how to fix them.
 
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