Fight 93 Debris

[VespaGuy]

I'm debating in another forum about 9/11 and I was told that human remains and other debris was found 5 miles away from the crash site. When I asked for a source I was linked to this article (http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp) which is from 2 days after 9/11.

Has this been discussed before? (I did a quick search but couldn't find anything about this). Has this been debunked?

 

[Gravy]

It has been debunked. There was debris scattered over a fairly wide area at the crash site, but the only things definitely identified from the plane at any great distance were some small bits of cloth and pieces of paper, which were carried by the wind for 8 miles. The "8-mile debris field" is total bunk. The FDR data show that all major systems were operating normally when the plane hit the ground at 580 mph. That is, it did not break up in midair. Many links here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1899834&postcount=3898

 

[VespaGuy]

Thanks Gravy. Very detailed.

I understand that the article I linked is from 2 days after the fact, which is still in the 'fog of war' stage where information comes pouring in - verified or not. Is there anything that actually discredits these reports?

Thanks again.

 

[Peephole]

PM did a good debunk on this.

CLAIM: "Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains," states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. "Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene." Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: "On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it--winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied." And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: "Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down."
FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=8

Roving Engine
CLAIM: One of Flight 93's engines was found "at a considerable distance from the crash site," according to Lyle Szupinka, a state police officer on the scene who was quoted in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Offering no evidence, a posting on Rense.com claimed: "The main body of the engine ... was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner."
FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=7

 

[gumboot]

For comparison,

Airliners that HAVE broken up in midair scatter debris over hundreds and hundreds of kilometers.

When Pan Am Flight 103 broke up over Lockerbie, Scotland, for example, it spread debris over an area of 2189 Sq Km.

-Gumboot