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FEMA UFO manual?

kittynh

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I got this question on the UFO question site.

I've never heard of it?

Any input I can give back?




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Subject: FEMA Manual
Question: Awhile back I saw a program about UFOs on the History or Discovery ch. They mentioned in the program there is a proceedural manual which I'm pretty sure they said was put out by FEMA. This manual they said is supposed to be at every firestation, police station etc. Any type of first responders to emergeny situations. They said that contained in this manual were proceedures to follow upon encountering a downed UFO. I'm trying to get a little additional informantion on this so I can research it more. Do you know anything about this or could put me in contact with someone who might? Thanks
 
geez, I pride myself on giving out the truth. I'm the lone skeptic on this site!

Any help most welcome!
 
Hmm.

Looking at the description the little bulet point says "Enemy Attack and UFO potential". This leads me to suspect that this may be dealing with an actual UFO (unidentified flying object), rather than "flying saucers and little green men".

Seriously, if you get called out to a site with no more info than "something fell outta the sky and is on fire", it'd be nice to have some procedures on who to call that could identify the craft, tell you where it came from, and if, say, it was a jet that was on it's way to a live bombing range that happens to be carrying a 10,000 lb. payload of explosives.

I'm not convinced that anything we've seen is necessarily the accurate text of the book, either.
 
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Follow the downed UFO. It will not doubt contain an alien of some sort. Open the hatch. Punch the alien in the face and say, "Welcome to Earth". Worked for Will Smith. Or play a melody to it. Doo, doo, doo, doo-doo. Worked for Speilberg.
 
As the Bard once said, "Much Ado About Nothing". This is NOT a FEMA book/manual. It's one of dozens of firefighting books published by Pennwell, the good folks who put out "Fire Engineering" magazine every month (One of the best such magazines, BTW). I've not seen this particular book, but I'd bet there's no woo-woo therein. Most likely "UFO" is a poor term to describe the crash of an unknown aircraft- pretty much as Hunstman says. (We had a B-52 go down near here many years ago, and for a time no one knew if it had nukes on board or not- THAT was enough to get the adrenelin pumping.)
FEMA doesn't dictate what manuals are supposed to be on hand in the firehouse, although the do encourage that we all have a Local Emergency Plan made up. UFOs (the otherworldly kind not unknown crashed aircraft) have never been part of any FEMA guidance.
(Anyone who want's the skinny on FEMA and firefighting can talk to me at Kittynh's Newton Day party Saturday.....)
 
1984 said:
Follow the downed UFO. It will not doubt contain an alien of some sort. Open the hatch. Punch the alien in the face and say, "Welcome to Earth". Worked for Will Smith. Or play a melody to it. Doo, doo, doo, doo-doo. Worked for Speilberg.
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But if it's a green girl in a skimpy outfit you must have sex first.
 
1984 said:
Follow the downed UFO. It will not doubt contain an alien of some sort. Open the hatch. Punch the alien in the face and say, "Welcome to Earth". Worked for Will Smith. Or play a melody to it. Doo, doo, doo, doo-doo. Worked for Speilberg.
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Hey he could have been at a barbecue.


And what the hell is that smell? argh.
 
My links are clearly not widely clicked ;)

This radical primer was the brainstorm of the late Charles W. Bahme, a former Los Angeles Fire Department deputy chief, who researched UFOs for years. According to Bahme, his interest was ignited August 26, 1942 during the famous "L.A. Air Raid." As sirens and news bulletins announced an enemy invasion, Bahme, then a young Navy fireman, watched some 20 objects zoom and zigzag overhead. "They changed course at incredible speeds while gun crews along the coastline pumped more than 1,400 rounds at them," he said. Two hours later, all was quiet on the Western front. "Rumors that they were extraterrestrial craft, that one was shot down, were never confirmed," he said. "The official explanation--weather balloons--was never taken seriously."

After serving as security coordinator for the Chief of Naval Operations, Bahme went on to write the original Handbook of Disaster control in 1952, and the first Fire Officer's Guide to Disaster Control in 1978. Finally, in 1993, he teamed up with William M. Kramer, a district chief with the Cincinnati Fire Department, to write the current manual.
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It's definitely woo, it was definitely published, and that guy hopefully didn't get many jobs after people read chapter 13. Oh, and it seems that FEMA connection just gets thrown in by the conspiracy nuts because they like the sound of it.

--- G.
 
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Read the full text on this otherwise awful webpage:

http://www.geocities.com/secretfiles_99/fireofficer.html

I think my work here is done, unless you want the man's shoe size ;)

--- G.

p.s. I am pretty convinced the text is more or less correctly transcribed (there are punctuation errors in some versions but basically all match) - and since this thing can be bought over the internet by anyone with a credit card an and interest in the matter I doubt they are all fakes
 
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Morrison's Lament said:
My links are clearly not widely clicked ;)
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Don't take it personally, I don't think anyone's is ... :)

it was definitely published
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I think the authors self-published the book. As far as I know that alone does not discredit the book, but I don't think it gives them the same amount of credibility that a technical author gets when his book is published by Prentice Hall or a software author gets when her book is published by O'Reilly.

Here's why I think the book is self-published:

Per Amazon, the publisher is Fire Engineering Books; 2nd edition (June, 1992)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0912212268/ref=pd_cmp_rvi_1_a/002-6717259-2246423?n=283155

I did a google search and the publisher does not appear to have its own home page, but has something under Yahoo:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pennwell/newfromfiren.html

(I don't think that alone is enough to discredit someone either, but I do think it at least shows that they are not either not well-funded or marketing wizzes, or both. And to have a book bought by FEMA would take some mega-marketing skills I would think...)

Looking at that web page, I found out that Fire Engineering Books is a PennWell imprint.
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Fire Engineering Books & Videos, a PennWell imprint, carries the latest fire titles by the most respected names in the industry. You'll find many of our authors teaching at the top fire conferences and seminars across the country, as well writing articles for Fire Engineering magazine.
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The PennWell web site says they offer Affinity Publishing, which I believe is one of the terms used for self-publishing.
http://www.pennwell.com/affinity_publishing.cfm?navid=3033
PennWell's Custom-Affinity Publishing Division provides a wide range of custom publishing services and is the leading provider of alliance/partner marketing programs for the IT industry. The division specializes in creating marketing programs that promote client platforms in concert with their partners' complementary products and services. It produces custom magazines, advertising supplements, print and online solution guides, in-package collateral and direct mail, and provides e-mail marketing and webcast services. Affinity clients include 3Com, Citrix, Compaq, Handspring, HP, IBM, Intermec, Microsoft, Nortel Networks, Oracle, Palm and SilverStream.
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If anyone happens to know any people that work for the local fire dept. , that might be a good way to find out if Fire Engineering Books has any credibility in the field.

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Some good detective work there, it seems to be a publisher for hire, at least in part.

Now, I never said this was a FEMA book or even official material, but I was previously under the impression that it might have been at least distributed officially by some fire departments. That is looking less likely...

--- G.
 
Morrison's Lament said:
Some good detective work there, it seems to be a publisher for hire, at least in part.

Now, I never said this was a FEMA book or even official material, but I was previously under the impression that it might have been at least distributed officially by some fire departments. That is looking less likely...

--- G.
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Thanks, I enjoy digging up stuff on the net :) , but I'm sure I spend too much time sitting in front of my PC. Before I finally tear myself away … here's one more web site of interest:
http://fdic06.events.pennnet.com/

Per one of the logos on the upper right, PennWell owns and produces the Fire Department Instructors Conference. This web site shows their schedule for 2005 and 2006.

I don't know enough about USA fire depts. to know whether this passes the sniff test. I do know that some towns rely exclusively on volunteers. Perhaps this is where they fit in.
 
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Fire Engineering magazine and the Fire Department instructors
Conferences are first rate. That said, there are dozens and dozens of firefighting books out there, many self-published or published without any kind of peer review. Some good and some bad. Most fire departments- thankfully- know to focus on the well known authors like Alan Brunacini, Francis Brannigan, Gregg Noll, Bill Goldfeder and the like. Hey, there's plenty of woo to go around- Just check out any bookstore or public library.
 
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