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[The Coast-to-Coast AM thread was getting a little worn, so I've moved this here... - dt]
FAO = "For Attention Of"... some of you were going to ask, so there it is.
The upcoming Coast-to-Coast debate (Aug. 21st, 11PM-3AM MDT) is mentioned in this new article on the AE911Truthiness site. Of most interest here is probably the section taking Gravy to task:
Gage also describes our October 2009 debate, and provides a flattering picture, which happens to show I do know something about gravity and momentum.
Here's my snippet, with the most amusing parts emphasized:
I guess the only major item of note is that Gage is finally linking to Gravy's Hardfire debate videos. If you go from the AE911 article's link "See the Gage-Roberts Debate now", and then follow that page's subtle link to "View the second program (here)", then you can finally navigate to Gage's "jumping the shark" scene at 23 minutes 50 seconds, the very scene responsible for Gage being known as "Box Boy."
I also found this surprising bit of inanity in the new article, when it's running down Michael Shermer for saying we know who the 19 hijackers were:
What's funny is that if you follow the link to the BBC article that Gage claims shows accused 9/11 hijackers are still alive, you'll see there's a little footnote at the bottom:
And that update very clearly says
Why is Gage publicizing these embarrassing gaffes? Answer: in all seriousness, how many 9/11 truthiness people will actually click through to see the inanity of it all? Even one?
Dave
FAO = "For Attention Of"... some of you were going to ask, so there it is.
The upcoming Coast-to-Coast debate (Aug. 21st, 11PM-3AM MDT) is mentioned in this new article on the AE911Truthiness site. Of most interest here is probably the section taking Gravy to task:
The next debate took place on June 18, 2008, between Richard Gage, AIA, and Mark Roberts (a.k.a 'Gravy” on the James Randi Educational Forum) on the TV access show “Hardfire” with host John Clifton, past chair of the Libertarian Party of New York. Mark Roberts, a New York tour guide, said he has “no specific expertise” in 9-11 matters but became interested in 2006 when he heard some of the “conspiracy theories” and found them “suspect.”
Roberts could barely contain his hostility towards Gage, accusing him of lying several times and impugning his motives. The ill will Roberts brings to the discussion is evident in many of his online posts where he goes by the name of “Gravy.” One such post on a James Randi Educational Forum refers to “Gage and his gang of lazy, lying, despicable creeps,” which indicates that he doesn’t just disagree with his opposition; he despises them.
Mark Roberts' avatar on the James Randi Educational Forum with the caption, “downsitting citizen.”
Towards the beginning of the debate Roberts said of Gage, “He's got a 542-slide presentation that he encourages everyone to see on his website.... I found 311 false statements, 114 misleading statements, and 137 logical fallacies.” He did not elaborate. Roberts took the approach that NIST fully explained everything; that anomalies, such as witnesses hearing explosions, simply didn't happen or the witnesses were mistaken. He also said the evidence of foreknowledge that Building 7 would collapse was simply a matter of experts thinking the building might fall because it had been damaged.
Gage focused on features of the collapse suggesting demolition, quoting David Chandler's determination that the building fell for 2.25 seconds at free-fall acceleration for 100 feet, straight down, into a neat pile. Gage also cited Danny Jowenko, a demolition expert, who said that the collapse was a controlled demolition carried out by professionals. He said they simply “blew away the columns.” Gage also said that the presence of molten iron at the site seen by witnesses and documented in photos and videos suggested the presence of incendiary materials because jet fuel and office fires cannot produce temperatures anywhere near the required 2,700 degrees F. Roberts said there was no molten iron.
See the Gage-Roberts Debate now.
Gage also describes our October 2009 debate, and provides a flattering picture, which happens to show I do know something about gravity and momentum.
Here's my snippet, with the most amusing parts emphasized:
On October 24, 2009, an abbreviated debate took place between Gage and Dave Thomas, mathematician and physicist at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology in Socorro, New Mexico. After Gage delivered his evidence, including information about free-fall acceleration, molten metal, iron spheres and evidence of nanothermite in the dust, Thomas began addressing “conspiracies” in general, which seemed to function as a rhetorical device to discredit Gage. Thomas belongs to a school of critics that lumps all 9/11 research into the same category as he puts it, “the Bible Code, the Roswell UFO incident, and other fringe beliefs.” Thomas, who refers to Gage as a “conspiracy theorist,” is another of those professed rational thinkers who apply multiple standards to suit their needs. The government’s claim that 19 Arabs conspired to attack New York and Washington and defeat the most technically advanced air defense in the world does not qualify as a conspiracy theory in Thomas’s world.
Thomas, like others who debate Gage, relies on the “Piledriver Theory” to explain how the smaller top section of the towers could destroy everything under them. The theory says that a structural failure due to fires caused the top section to drop one floor, which set off a chain reaction that completely demolished the buildings. The dynamic force simply overwhelms the building structure below. Gage notes that his theory ignores the structural resistance supplied by about 300 massive columns in the building.
Thomas is scheduled to debate Gage on the radio show Coast to Coast on Saturday night, August 21, from 10 pm to 2 am.
I guess the only major item of note is that Gage is finally linking to Gravy's Hardfire debate videos. If you go from the AE911 article's link "See the Gage-Roberts Debate now", and then follow that page's subtle link to "View the second program (here)", then you can finally navigate to Gage's "jumping the shark" scene at 23 minutes 50 seconds, the very scene responsible for Gage being known as "Box Boy."
I also found this surprising bit of inanity in the new article, when it's running down Michael Shermer for saying we know who the 19 hijackers were:
What's funny is that if you follow the link to the BBC article that Gage claims shows accused 9/11 hijackers are still alive, you'll see there's a little footnote at the bottom:
And that update very clearly says
(Emphasis is in the original piece.)
Why is Gage publicizing these embarrassing gaffes? Answer: in all seriousness, how many 9/11 truthiness people will actually click through to see the inanity of it all? Even one?
Dave
