Ethnic Cleansing in Sudan

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ALONG THE SUDAN-CHAD BORDER — The most vicious ethnic cleansing you've never heard of is unfolding here in the southeastern fringes of the Sahara Desert. It's a campaign of murder, rape and pillage by Sudan's Arab rulers that has forced 700,000 black African Sudanese to flee their villages.

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Western and African countries need to intervene urgently. Sudan's leaders should not be able to get away with mass murder just because they are shrewd enough to choose victims who inhabit a poor region without airports, electricity or paved roads.

The culprit is the Sudanese government, one of the world's nastiest. Its Arab leaders have been fighting a civil war for more than 20 years against its rebellious black African south. Lately it has armed lighter-skinned Arab raiders, the Janjaweed, who are killing or driving out blacks in the Darfur region near Chad.

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"They don't want any blacks left," he added.

Most refugees have stories like that. "They took the cattle and horses, killed the men, raped the women, and then they burned the village," said Abubakr Ahmed Abdallah, a 60-year-old refugee who escaped to Toukoultoukouli in Chad.

"They want to exterminate us blacks," said Halime Ali Souf. Her husband was killed, and she fled into Chad with her infant

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"If we have food or water, we'll share it with them," said a Chadian peasant, Adam Isak Abubakr. "We can't leave them like this."

Let's hope that we Americans will show the same gumption and compassion. We should call Sudan before the U.N. Security Council and the world community and insist that it stop these pogroms. To his credit, President Bush has already led the drive for peace in Sudan, doing far more to achieve a peace than all his predecessors put together. Now he should show the same resolve in confronting this latest menace.

In the 21st century, no government should be allowed to carry out ethnic cleansing, driving 700,000 people from their homes. If we turn away simply because the victims are African tribespeople who have the misfortune to speak no English, have no phones and live in one of the most remote parts of the globe, then shame on us.
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So... what is to be done about this?

Ideas?



MattJ
 
Too bad nukes don't differentiate between civillians and thugs. I can't think of a better statement for telling the world, "no more".
 
aerocontrols said:
So... what is to be done about this?

Ideas?
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Dunno.

All I can predict is that, if the US does nothing, it will be criticized for doing nothing.

If the US does something, it will be criticized for interfering.

If the US does something between the two, it will be criticized both for doing too much and too little.

Whatever it is, if it doesn't work out, it will be an example of US incompetence.

If it does work out, it will be an example of US imperialism.

And if it's a partial success, it will be an example both of US incompetence and US imperialism.
 
The Sudan situation has been just beyond awful for too long. Perhaps if the US started making some noise about it, the Sudanese government would back off a bit, but I doubt it.

I guess with the troops already extended in Afganistan and Iraq, we could only send in a minimal force. A small unit of special forces armed to the teeth might be enough, but I have a feeling we'd just be buying time for the blacks to get out of the country and become refugees. On the one hand, that might sound OK, but there isn't enough food to go around for the people of Chad, where the Sudanese are fleeing to.

This has been going on and on while we were all making a big stink about the US and Iraq. It is criminal neglect for the world to stand by and let this slaughter take place.
 
Originally posted by aerocontrols
So... what is to be done about this?

Ideas?
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Personally, I favor sending in the Marines. If you're going to be damned by world opinion either way, might as well be damned for saving some lives.
 
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Mycroft said:


Personally, I favor sending in the Marines. If you're going to be damned by world opinion either way, might as well be damned for saving some lives.
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Oooh Rah! :D
 
From the Dr. Walter Williams Discusses Saddam and WMD's thread next door:
So weigh the difference. Do squat and get more of your own killed. Go all out and worse case scenario keep a few million from being under an oppresive regime that few liked anyhow
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According to some posters, allowing oppressive regimes torture and kill unchecked for 15 years is bad, very bad, and probably Clinton's fault. Now if only the Sudanese had tried to assinate a certain US ex-president, the Marines would already be there.
 
fishbob said:
From the Dr. Walter Williams Discusses Saddam and WMD's thread next door:

According to some posters, allowing oppressive regimes torture and kill unchecked for 15 years is bad, very bad, and probably Clinton's fault. Now if only the Sudanese had tried to assinate a certain US ex-president, the Marines would already be there.
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And according to some other posters whatever the country does internally is their business and no one has a right to tell them what to do...unless it's USA or Israel then everyone knows what's better for them.
 
After all you americans have finished feeling sorry for yourselves you may want to check this thing out...foer a change you can probably blame Canada....or at least a canadian oil company.... I will say no more, I don't want to spoil the surprise.

edited to add: That is, of course, if you are looking for someone outside Sudan to blame...
 
Sudan didn't start yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that even. The slavery, ethnic killing and rape/torchure has been happening there since the early 70's...civil war has been raging there since the 80's....and the United Nations is more worried about stopping the suicide bomber wall in Israel, hiding flight data recorders, allowing massacres and covering up the oil-for-food scandal than doing anything about Sudan.

When was the last time Kofi Annan made as much noise about Sudan as he did for Sheik Yassin? NEVER. Sudan need an enema, in a hurry, the U.N. ain't gonna do it.
 
a_unique_person said:
The UN has tried to do something, it is up to it's members to do it. If they aren't interested, then it is powerless. It was once a democracy.
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Yes, it was a "democracy" with a automatic majority for third-world dictatorships, under the principle of "one murderous thug, one vote". Shame on the US for ignoring it.

But you got to love "the Fool" and AUP. Their response for the news of a massacre in Sudan? The former blames Canada ("a Canadian oil company"), the latter, the US (for making the UN "importent").

They're nothing if not predictable.
 
Ah, yes, Fool. Talisman Energy.

They purchased interests from an Arab oil company (arak?) in about 1998, worked them a bit, and sold their interests to a large Indian oil company in 2003.

I hope you don't mean to imply that those 5 years of participation in the development of energy resources in the area are the root cause of the current situation there.
 
a_unique_person said:
The UN has tried to do something, it is up to it's members to do it. If they aren't interested, then it is powerless. It was once a democracy.
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Please, AUP, we're talking about Sudan, not Iraq.
 
Which European colonial power up and left this part of Africa by the proverbial side of the road with a few proverbial bucks and a hearty proverbial handshake?
 
a_unique_person said:
The UN has tried to do something, it is up to it's members to do it. If they aren't interested, then it is powerless. It was once a democracy.
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Sudan was NEVER a democracy. More history rewritten for us by A_U_P.

Sudan had a "civilian government " in 1956 to 1958 and 1986-1989 otherwise it has been one coup after the next coup. Sudan is about as democratic as Syria or Saudi Arabia.
 
aerocontrols said:
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Concerning your link Aerocontrols.

I am not turning this into a middle east thread, nor do I wish it to, but doesn't it strike anybody as strange beyong belief that the United Nations is more concerned with condemning Israel over killing Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin than it is over 810,000 African people in Sudan fleeing their homes due to ethnic cleansing?!?!?!


If you never understood the true agenda of the modern United Nations maybe this example should tell you everything you need to know.
 
I was in Sudan a few months ago. I thought I was more likely to be killed on the roads there then by the war - the roads and the driving standards are terrible.

The USA did lob a cruise missile at a factory in Sudan on August 20, 1998. The USA claimed it was a chemical weapons factory, and that the USA was acting in self-defense, but of course this was just the usual lies and bulls**t.
 
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