Erich Von Daniken

[MG1962]

I just finished watching an excellent soviet period science fiction film Planet Of Storms made in 1962.

The story details the exploration of Venus, but a sub plot running through the film is the evidence of humans having lived on Venus alongside dinosaurs.

One of the scientist postulates that the original inhabitiants of Venus came from Mars, and by default why couldn't they have visited Earth as well? Proof of his theory is offered in an iron pillar that wont rust located in India, and the cave drawing of a spaceman found in the Sahara.

Now is it mere coincidence that both these key examples of alien visits are recycled in Von Danikens first book Chariots Of The Gods released in 1968. Or did he run with an idea from a Russian film he thought no one outside the Soviet Union would ever see?

 

[bjornart]

This is just a WAG, but I suppose linking various "unexplainable" sites to aliens predates both the movie and the book. But even if there aren't any, and Däniken got those ideas from that film, there's no reason to suppose he didn't think anyone outside the Soviet Union would see the film. As far as I know at least, Däniken doesn't put forth that his books are 100% original research.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I just finished watching an excellent soviet period science fiction film Planet Of Storms made in 1962.

The story details the exploration of Venus, but a sub plot running through the film is the evidence of humans having lived on Venus alongside dinosaurs.

One of the scientist postulates that the original inhabitiants of Venus came from Mars, and by default why couldn't they have visited Earth as well? Proof of his theory is offered in an iron pillar that wont rust located in India, and the cave drawing of a spaceman found in the Sahara.

Now is it mere coincidence that both these key examples of alien visits are recycled in Von Danikens first book Chariots Of The Gods released in 1968. Or did he run with an idea from a Russian film he thought no one outside the Soviet Union would ever see?

He'll steal anything that isn't nailed down, so I'd be inclined to believe he stole that. (If you can steal from the Boy Scouts simple plagiarism isn't really a show stopper, is it?)

 

[Marduk]

The Iron pillar of Delhi was famous for its inability to rust from the 1920s, as for the rock art, athropologists have been studying African art from more than 200 years, so it probably appears in so many books already Daniken could have got it anywhere

one thing he certainly doesn't do in his book is clearly reference anything except a large amount of already published pseudo history books, I would imagine it would be quite easy to find references to both items in his listed bibliography as well which on the whole date from the 18th century onwards. But I don't own any of the foreign books he has listed. So I'm afraid thats all I can offer

 

[MG1962]

The Iron pillar of Delhi was famous for its inability to rust from the 1920s, as for the rock art, athropologists have been studying African art from more than 200 years, so it probably appears in so many books already Daniken could have got it anywhere[

Yeah I just went on a google search and it appears the particular image was discovered in 1933 as part of the Tassili Frescoes

 

[Marduk]

Yeah I just went on a google search and it appears the particular image was discovered in 1933 as part of the Tassili Frescoes

The Tassili frescoes are in Italy

but whats true for Africa is even truer for Italy. They would have been available many decades before Von Daniken was born let alone published

 

[MG1962]

The Tassili frescoes are in Italy

but whats true for Africa is even truer for Italy. They would have been available many decades before Von Daniken was born let alone published

Not sure if there are two places with the same name, but this is the one I was referencing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tassili_n'Ajjer

 

[Marduk]

Not sure if there are two places with the same name, but this is the one I was referencing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tassili_n'Ajjer

This was my source,
http://www.markborg.net/index.php#articleId=4
I'm more prone to accept yours
especially since I did a search longer than 30 seconds this time and found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Drawings_in_Valcamonica

 

[MG1962]

This was my source,
http://www.markborg.net/index.php#articleId=4
I'm more prone to accept yours

Well the images in at the website have been used by Von Daniken as well so lets call it even lol

 

[foxholeatheist]

I seem to remember reading that X number of years ago it was thought that because Venus was covered in clouds, the assumption was made that it was a vast swampy planet complete with giant reptiles and amphibians tromping around.

The line of reasoning I can't quite follow. Clouds = water. Water = swamps. Swamps = life. Life = Dinosaurs.

Sounds like a cool movie though.

Yeah, Ancient Astronauts... Dinosaurs... Almost like Dino-Riders!!

 

[Marduk]

I just finished watching an excellent soviet period science fiction film Planet Of Storms made in 1962

You may want to watch this next
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_to_the_Prehistoric_Planet
but only if you havent consumed enough cheese already

interestingly wiki has this to say about Venus

In 1918, chemist Svante Arrhenius, deciding that Venus' cloud cover was necessarily water, decreed in The Destinies of the Stars that "A very great part of the surface of Venus is no doubt covered with swamps" and compared Venus' humidity to the tropical rain forests of the Congo. Venus thus became, until the early 1960s, a place for science fiction writers to place all manner of unusual life forms, from quasi-dinosaurs to intelligent carnivorous plants. Comparisons often referred to Earth in the Carboniferous period.

Bizzarro

 

[MG1962]

I seem to remember reading that X number of years ago it was thought that because Venus was covered in clouds, the assumption was made that it was a vast swampy planet complete with giant reptiles and amphibians tromping around.

Well the issue always was - whats under the cloud tops. Authors like Asimov wrote stories on a hot wet and hot dry Venus, he even said at the time, he knew the environment was wrong, but it made a great story

The line of reasoning I can't quite follow. Clouds = water. Water = swamps. Swamps = life. Life = Dinosaurs.

Well at the time it was how we rolled. We thought the Earth was a giant swamp and the dinos lived in it. Now we realise it was a lot different

Sounds like a cool movie though.

The pacing is slow compared to American films, but the attention to detail and the hardware used is pretty interesting

Yeah, Ancient Astronauts... Dinosaurs... Almost like Dino-Riders!!

Well that is one of the primary points of discussion. How could humans have evolved alongside dinosaurs. Hence the deduction they made

 

[MG1962]

You may want to watch this next
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_to_the_Prehistoric_Planet
but only if you havent consumed enough cheese already
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It actually gets worse the above film is actually an American re-editing of the Russian movie -then...............They went back and made a second film from the original material

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063790/

Being the warped completist I am....I have all three versions

interestingly wiki has this to say about Venus

Bizzarro

Well in science fiction the defining story that pretty much set everything else up is this from 1935. Which is clearly influenced by the material you referenced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite_Planet

The story is pretty much required reading for anyone wanting to be a science fiction author

 

[Marduk]

The story is pretty much required reading for anyone wanting to be a science fiction author

Where can I get some trihydroxyl-tertiary-tolunitrile-beta-anthraquinone

 

[fuelair]

Erich Von Daniken

was a twit. Now, he is a dead twit.

He just twitted away.

 

[Marduk]

Erich Von Daniken

was a twit. Now, he is a dead twit.

He just twitted away.

Source ?

 

[foxholeatheist]

I personally would prefer that Venus be full of giant reptiles rather than sulfuric acid rain and gooey rock.

I must petition my school board to begin teaching the controversy of my own personal taste of what reality should be immediately.

 

[MG1962]

I personally would prefer that Venus be full of giant reptiles rather than sulfuric acid rain and gooey rock.

I must petition my school board to begin teaching the controversy of my own personal taste of what reality should be immediately.

Yes God

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

It actually gets worse the above film is actually an American re-editing of the Russian movie -then...............They went back and made a second film from the original material

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063790/

Being the warped completist I am....I have all three versions




Well in science fiction the defining story that pretty much set everything else up is this from 1935. Which is clearly influenced by the material you referenced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite_Planet

The story is pretty much required reading for anyone wanting to be a science fiction author

And, if one wants to read it, it's available at:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0601211h.html

 

[Marduk]

And, if one wants to read it, it's available at:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0601211h.html

too late
I read that earlier this afternoon,
crappy ending


on another note ref

Erich Von Daniken

was a twit. Now, he is a dead twit.

He just twitted away

the last twit I read from him on saturday stated that he was in the swiss alps enjoying the weather and the beer. What percentage of chance is there that tomorrow I will read the headline

"Drunken crackpot falls off mountain"

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
not that I'm hoping and praying or anything