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Eastern Red Army...

King of the Americas

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...like we'd ever to to War with the world's most populated nation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/i...00&en=a20c1843643db8e9&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Tiawan IS a 'struggling democracy'. A people actually fighting for independence against it Communist aggressor.

How can we NOT go to War with China?

I mean we went to War with Saddam over shitte he didn't even have. We KNOW China is not a democracy, and that they oppress LOTS of people.

We HAVE to help Tiawan, don't we?

They are on OUR SIDE, right? What kind of ally would we be if we just left them to be consumed by the Communists???
 
Dont be silly. Fighting China would be much too much like hard work. Is there much oil in China?
 
The U.S. has always been a strong ally of Formosa/Taiwan. We WILL go to war over it, if it comes to that.

We wouldn't even budge on Quemoy and Matsu...
 
China has nukes, a very large army, and lots, and lots, and lots of people to sell stuff too.

Simply put, China is an impractical enemy.
 
King of the Americas said:
...like we'd ever to to War with the world's most populated nation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/03/i...00&en=a20c1843643db8e9&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Tiawan IS a 'struggling democracy'. A people actually fighting for independence against it Communist aggressor.

How can we NOT go to War with China?

I mean we went to War with Saddam over shitte he didn't even have. We KNOW China is not a democracy, and that they oppress LOTS of people.

We HAVE to help Tiawan, don't we?

They are on OUR SIDE, right? What kind of ally would we be if we just left them to be consumed by the Communists???
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Well the thing about that is we hate being nuked. It's just pet peeve we have about nuclear annihilation. Now if I were a gambling man, I would wager that China hates being nuked as well, so I think Taiwan is in no immediate danger.
 
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King of the Americas said:
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We go to War based on our ability to win, NOT over a worthy cause?
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The ability to win a war has always been a factor in deciding whether to go to war or not. Even once a war is started a deciding force in whether to continue a war is whether the war can still be won at any given point. When the war can no longer be won, the side that can not win usually surrenders. A worthy cause means nothing if you do not have the means to implement it, and all war, in the end, boils down to a means to implement something.
 
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King of the Americas said:
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We go to War based on our ability to win, NOT over a worthy cause?
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Pretty much... read Sun Tzu's The Art of War. The object of war is to win. That part is covered on the first page.
 
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Psiload said:
Pretty much... read Sun Tzu's The Art of War. The object of war is to win. That part is covered on the first page.
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Shoot, he needn't even do that. A quick flip through any basic history book should have taught him the same lesson.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


Shoot, he needn't even do that. A quick flip through any basic history book should have taught him the same lesson.
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Oh, there is a lesson "The King" will never learn. He's devoted his life to fighting losing battles. Just check his posting history here at the JREF... he hasn't won one yet, but he keeps coming back for more.
 
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King of the Americas said:
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We go to War based on our ability to win, NOT over a worthy cause?
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I am afraid that is pretty much the way it has always been.

Have you been out napping for all of recorded history?
 
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Psiload said:
Oh, there is a lesson "The King" will never learn. He's devoted his life to fighting losing battles. Just check his posting history here at the JREF... he hasn't won one yet, but he keeps coming back for more.
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I've noticed. In many ways he reminds me of a toy I had when I was a kid. It was a little clown shaped punching bag weighted at th bottom so that when you punched it and knocked it down, it came right back up for more.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


I've noticed. In many ways he reminds me of a toy I had when I was a kid. It was a little clown shaped punching bag weighted at th bottom so that when you punched it and knocked it down, it came right back up for more.
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I'll bet the clown had better spelling and punctuation, though.
 
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Jocko said:


I'll bet the clown had better spelling and punctuation, though.
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heheh, better than me or better than him? I am actually a very good speller but a terrible typist.
 
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Nyarlathotep said:


heheh, better than me or better than him? I am actually a very good speller but a terrible typist.
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Sorry, I meant the KOA. Although he likes to lay blame for his atrocious presentation on his poor typing, you'll notice that he poorly types the same words again and again - the ones that are used correctly, that is.

For a real laugh, ask him to spell "imminent." For an even bigger laugh, ask him to define it.
 
I'm not trying...

...to 'win' anything in my bringing this subject up.

I just find it interesting that we'll leap forward kick the shitte out of our lessors, but back down when the 'fight' looks too ugly, even though it is within our principles to do so.

Tiawan is a struggling democracy, actually WANTING and actively fighting for Freedom.

Don't we have a duty to help them???

I mean what 'duty' did we have to help Iraqis be Free from Saddam???

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I think we WILL see War with China, sooner than I'd like.
 
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King of the Americas wrote:

I just find it interesting that we'll leap forward kick the shitte out of our lessors, but back down when the 'fight' looks too ugly, even though it is within our principles to do so.

Yeah, it's called "being realistic".

Baffling concept, huh?
 
Re: I'm not trying...

King of the Americas said:
...to 'win' anything in my bringing this subject up.

I just find it interesting that we'll leap forward kick the shitte out of our lessors, but back down when the 'fight' looks too ugly, even though it is within our principles to do so.

Tiawan is a struggling democracy, actually WANTING and actively fighting for Freedom.

Don't we have a duty to help them???

I mean what 'duty' did we have to help Iraqis be Free from Saddam???

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I think we WILL see War with China, sooner than I'd like.
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We don't have a duty to Taiwan in any way shape or form (I would also argue, though, that we had no duty to Iraq either).

Simply put a war with China would be a waste of lives and resources. Fortuantely they probably feel the same way about war with us. In situations like that, diplomacy usually prevails. If you need an example, simply notice how the Cold War never turned into a shooting war with the USSR.
 
I think we're missing the bigger question here -

China's verbal belligerence has always been just that - verbal. The likelihood of any real action is remote at best. But then, I suspect that's a little to much reality to make an impression on KOA.
 
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