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"Dr" Steve Pieczenik

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I don't post many new threads myself but I found this subject interesting enough to want to dig a little deeper. I also felt I didn't want to derail Mr Mackeys thread HERE any further that I already have with it. Please forgive the rather bulky nature of this post.

Anyway, here goes.....

Read HERE, a transcript of Steve Pieczenik being interviewed by Alex Jones way back in April 2002. In that interview Pieczenik claims that Osama Bin Laden died the year previously (2001) This interview was dredged up the other day on Infowars following the recent events in Pakistan.

Now certain posters have cited Pieczenik claims about OBL as new information to counter Ryan Mackeys reveille call in the thread linked above. That is not what I want to discuss here. What I am interested in is some of the other (seemingly fantastical) claims made by Pieczenik in this interview. Here's a little summary of just some of that:-

(From the transcript) he (claims he) is an infowarrior who coined the phrase "crisis manager", a Havard graduate with a Phd from MIT, a doctor of medicine, a colonel at the age of 32 (was offered 07 promotion later but wanted to go maverick) was sent down to Panama to inform Noriega that the game was up, taught psychological operations at Carlyle War College, mediated between parties during terrorist hostage situations, set up negotiations between Gorbachev and Reagan, worked for (and against) Arafat, Saddam Hussien and Bin Laden, travelled to Cambodia to stop Pol Pot, is on the killing list of the Red Brigade and a lot of other terrorist groups all over the world.....

Let's put it this way, it seems he is no shrinking violet.

All I am asking here is for verification of the claims that Pieczenik makes above. That is, verification from primary, independent sources (discounting conspiracy-related websites or Pieczenik's own output) I have spent a while searching for same and failed. I can only come to the same conclusion as this writer HERE

(my bolds)


There are zero search-returns for "Pieczenik" in the National Archives or National Security Archives. I have increasing reason to disbelieve he was a "Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker" over the course of three presidential administrations, and have added an [non-primary source needed] to the Wiki entry after that specific claim. Most 1st-page Google returns for the specific employment phraseology (""Deputy Assistant Secretary of State") are in fact Pieczenik references on conspiracy blogs which reference the Wikipedia article as proof of his bona-fides
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I'm calling BS on this one.

Compus
 
And he wrote some horrid novels with Tom. I got one as a present. It stole my will to live. No way he made O-6 at 32. Impossible.
 
You were told in the other thread that it's not about the interview from 2002. Just that Mackey claims it doesn't make it true. He was on Alex Jones' show for two long interviews last week and on other shows, too. Here's the first interview with Jones:

 
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Childlike Empress said:
You were told in the other thread that it's not about the interview from 2002. Just that Mackey claims it doesn't make it true. He was on Alex Jones' show for two long interviews last week and on other shows, too. Here's the first interview with Jones:
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You didn't address the OP.
 
Childlike Empress said:
You were told in the other thread that it's not about the interview from 2002. Just that Mackey claims it doesn't make it true. He was on Alex Jones' show for two long interviews last week and on other shows, too. Here's the first interview with Jones:

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Need some help with the OP?
CompusMentus said:
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Now certain posters have cited Pieczenik claims about OBL as new information to counter Ryan Mackeys reveille call in the thread linked above. That is not what I want to discuss here. What I am interested in is some of the other (seemingly fantastical) claims made by Pieczenik in this interview. ...
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If you don't understand the highlighted sentence, feel free to ask me for help. I could explain it auf deutsch, wenn's sein muss ;)
 
Childlike Empress said:
You were told in the other thread that it's not about the interview from 2002. Just that Mackey claims it doesn't make it true. He was on Alex Jones' show for two long interviews last week and on other shows, too. Here's the first interview with Jones:

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DGM said:
You didn't address the OP.
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Oystein said:
Need some help with the OP?

If you don't understand the highlighted sentence, feel free to ask me for help. I could explain it auf deutsch, wenn's sein muss ;)
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Furthermore, the point in Ryan's thread is regarding forward momentum. Reiterating a claim in 2011 that was first made in 2002 is not forward momentum; on the contrary, it's a perfect example of the ossification he was talking about.

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ETA: Whoops. I shouldn't have made this post, given the request in the OP. My mistake. If it needs deletion or transfer to the other thread, I certainly won't object.
 
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Anyway, to rerail this (sorry, CM!):

If he claims military service, then tips I've read from the Stolen Valor project run by BG Burkett can come into play. For example, his DD-241 discharge form should reveal what his actual ranks were, plus his military specialties. Providing that Pieczenik's willing to show it, of course.
 
JamesB said:
And he wrote some horrid novels with Tom.
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There is little evidence Clancy wrote anything of those novels. At best, Clancy's parents wrote the first two words of each of the titles.

I come from a family of Clancy fans, the "buy everything with his name on it" routine didn't survive the first op center book and we never even touched net force.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I corrected misinformation he got from Mackey so we know what we'e talking about.
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I need no prompting from you, I know exactly what my goal is here (as stated)

All that matters, in this thread, is that I read a link that originated elsewhere that made some claims. This leads us here and I would like to verify those claims if possible.

You seem to set some store against this guy. Would you like to try and verify any of his claims? For instance, pick just one of the following:-

A Havard graduate.....

Phd from MIT.....

Doctor of medicine.....

Or a colonel at the age of 32.....


Go on have a go I dares ya.


Compus
 
BTW No problems about the the slight thread derails guys. As long as it doesn't get dragged off into the endless Building 7 or jammonius territories I'm nae bothered.

Compus
 
The Washington Post, Feb 27, 1995
He's Been There, Done That; Steve Pieczenik, Tom Clancy's Man on the Inside
[FINAL Edition]
Publication : The Washington Post (pre-1997 Fulltext)- Washington, D.C.
Author : Stephanie Mansfield
Date : Feb 27, 1995
Abstract (Document Summary)

But like Clancy's scholarly analyst Jack Ryan, the Chevy Chase psychiatrist and author has worked as an investment banker and been an adviser to several presidents. He is an expert on national security, international crisis management and hostage negotiation, and is the brains behind "Tom Clancy's `Op Center,' " the best-selling paperback (which neither man actually wrote) and much-hyped NBC miniseries, the second part of which airs tonight. There are plans for several more episodes, depending on the ratings, and more paperbacks.

A classical pianist who speaks five languages -- including Russian -- he wrote a full-length musical at the age of 8, and got his PhD in international relations from MIT during his spare time while studying at Harvard Medical School. [Steve] Pieczenik met Clancy years ago, and the two struck up a friendship. What the psychiatrist offers Clancy is invaluable inside knowledge and a sense of authenticity.
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(My underlines to highlight his bio/qualifications)

The full article would cost US$ 3.95. Does anyone have a subscription?
 
Don't know if this is anything significant, but I see that Ericsnowman has been editing the crap out of the wiki article:

(cur | prev) 23:28, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (7,244 bytes) (Hostage negotations) (Tag: possibly non-minor edit)
(cur | prev) 23:08, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,659 bytes) (Added from professional life)
(cur | prev) 23:08, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,375 bytes) (Switched to writing ventures) (Tag: references removed)
(cur | prev) 23:07, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,660 bytes) (Switched to writing ventures) (Tag: possibly non-minor edit)
(cur | prev) 23:05, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (7,195 bytes) (Writing venture addition)
(cur | prev) 22:59, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,885 bytes) (moved to writing section)
(cur | prev) 22:58, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (7,132 bytes) (Added a book he cowrote)
(cur | prev) 22:49, 5 May 2011 Hsviking (talk | contribs) (6,936 bytes) (→Professional life: added citation)
(cur | prev) 22:41, 5 May 2011 Kgorman-ucb (talk | contribs) (6,787 bytes) (→Education: the timescale as it was listed didn't add up, so I've removed a specific time scale for his schooling for now)
(cur | prev) 22:40, 5 May 2011 Hsviking (talk | contribs) (6,789 bytes) (→Professional life: add published textbook and article in recognized medicine journal)
(cur | prev) 22:29, 5 May 2011 Kgorman-ucb (talk | contribs) m (6,156 bytes) (link indicates he's a current member)
(cur | prev) 22:27, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,163 bytes) (unnecessary space)
(cur | prev) 22:26, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,164 bytes) (Better CFR link)
(cur | prev) 22:18, 5 May 2011 Kgorman-ucb (talk | contribs) (6,145 bytes) (it is apparently peer reviewed, so I'm going to leave mention of it in, but I'm just putting it under the professional section as it is not academic journalism)
(cur | prev) 22:11, 5 May 2011 Kgorman-ucb (talk | contribs) (6,296 bytes) (under carter would've been under secretary vance, so I'm grouping the aldo stuff with the previous mention of his time under vance.)
(cur | prev) 22:06, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,303 bytes) (typo) (Tag: references removed)
(cur | prev) 22:05, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,438 bytes) (typo)
(cur | prev) 22:05, 5 May 2011 Ericsnowman (talk | contribs) m (6,436 bytes) (Ref name needed to be changed)
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JamesB said:
And he wrote some horrid novels with Tom. I got one as a present. It stole my will to live. No way he made O-6 at 32. Impossible.
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I know next to nowt about millitary rankings/systems. Would a rank of Colonel at 32 years old be a first? Anyone have a link where I can check this out?



Compus
 
Grassy Knowlington said:
One Steve R. Pieczenik is listed on the membership list for the CFR:

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=P

I can't comment about any other claims made at http://www.stevepieczenik.com/bio.htm.
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Here some brief information about the number and structure of CFR members:
Membership

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is first and foremost a membership organization. With more than 4,300 members, CFR's ranks include top government officials, renowned scholars, business leaders, acclaimed journalists, prominent attorneys, and a host of distinguished nonprofit professionals. ...
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From http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/
This page also details the process of how one becomes a member. Basically you need to get recommended by several people (preferably members), and a panel decides on the recommendations.
 
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