Double Standards Again...

[Skeptic]

Who gets automatic citizenship in israel?

"Israel shall give citizenship to all those who are ethnically jews, and can prove their jewishness in terms of their habits, language, and culture..."

So much for automatic citizenship. What about applications for citizenship? Who is not allowed to apply?

"Any body, except muslims, who meets the criteria below can become an israeli citizen..."

How about the presidency?

"The president of israel must be a jew".

Awfully racist laws, aren't they? Why wasn't israel condemned for them?

Well, the reason is that they aren't true. There are no such laws in israel. What I am quoting from is a law that was in force in Germany for decades after WWII, giving citizenship to ethnic Germans; the law of citizenship in Jordan, explicitly excluding jews; and the law of Egypt, making sure the president must be a Muslim. I just changed "German", "jew" and "Muslim" to "jew", "Muslim", and "jew", espectively.

I suggest that racist Jordan, Egypt, and Germany have no right to exist, and must be wiped off the face of the earth. After all, this is the only just punishment for racism... as long as the "racists" are jews, of course.

Okay, not really. But, never mind that none of you had CONDEMNED Germany, Jordan, or Egypt for "racism" for having these laws, while israel's law of return is universally condemend. How many of you have even HEARD about these laws?


Why this double standard? I suggest that it is for the same reason the jews were hated in the past for being against Communism, or Capitalism, or Christianity, or Rome, or progress, or nationalism, or country X, or its enemy, country Y.

For some people--like, on this forum, "A Unique Person" and "The Fool", among others--"Human Rights" has become not a concern, but a religion, the one true faith, the same way Communism, or Nationalism, or Christianity, etc., are for others. Once it is the one true faith, there must be a heretic, as well--and the heretic, those who must be punished for their "lack of respect for human rights" (or "killing Christ", or "spreading international Bolshevism", or...), is (of course) the jew.

This explains why "The Fool" and "A Unique Person" has so little concern for real human rights violations: what is important is not to improve human rights anywhere, but to protest one's faith (by bashing israel). This also explains why they couldn't care less about human right abuses elsewhere: what was important was to find a convenient heretic to display one's faith, and once the jews are found, there is no need to look any further.

 

[Dancing David]

You forgot to mention old deeds in the USA, in a town thirty minutes north of my town they still have deeds that will not allow the property to be sold to african amaricans, asians and I am sure members of the jewish faith.

I am not suprised that any nation in europe would have restrictive laws most nations have all sorts of weird restrictive laws. Fortunately the US on has two hundred years of stupidity to overcome.

In Nippon there are people who have lived there for multiple generations but they are not citizens.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

Who gets automatic citizenship in israel?

"Israel shall give citizenship to all those who are ethnically jews, and can prove their jewishness in terms of their habits, language, and culture..."

So much for automatic citizenship. What about applications for citizenship? Who is not allowed to apply?

The only truly automatic citizenship is being born there.

You might qualify to be an Israeli citizen, but you wouldn't be one unless you formally applied for it.

Anyone with a Jewish grandparent who has not converted to another religion may become a citizen.

Note that this means that not all "right of return" Jews are Jews according to religious law.

 

[American]

Where I work the girls all got to have these paper towel dispensers that dispense paper towels without touching them. It's got a laser or something that knows when you want a towel. The men's room didn't have it- us guys were getting a raw deal. So I says to the regional site co-ordinator, can we get that too cause that's not fair, it's a double standard... the guy says to me yeah, that was already like that when we moved in, and I'm like so fix it already! Guy says he'll "look into it", and I'm like no that's not good enough, fix the damn paper towel dispenser. Week later-- I walk in after moring break to take a dump- guess what... there's a brand new automatic paper towel dispenser, BETTER than the one the girls room got. Now they be complaining soon that ours is all better and sh!t. Tough! Let's see how they like having the tables all turned on them.

 

[Mycroft]

Uhm, American, how is it that you know so much about what's in the womens bathroom?

 

[The Fool]

Who gets automatic citizenship in israel?

"Israel shall give citizenship to all those who are ethnically jews, and can prove their jewishness in terms of their habits, language, and culture..."

So much for automatic citizenship. What about applications for citizenship? Who is not allowed to apply?

"Any body, except muslims, who meets the criteria below can become an israeli citizen..."

How about the presidency?

"The president of israel must be a jew".

Awfully racist laws, aren't they? Why wasn't israel condemned for them?

Well, the reason is that they aren't true. There are no such laws in israel. What I am quoting from is a law that was in force in Germany for decades after WWII, giving citizenship to ethnic Germans; the law of citizenship in Jordan, explicitly excluding jews; and the law of Egypt, making sure the president must be a Muslim. I just changed "German", "jew" and "Muslim" to "jew", "Muslim", and "jew", espectively.

I suggest that racist Jordan, Egypt, and Germany have no right to exist, and must be wiped off the face of the earth. After all, this is the only just punishment for racism... as long as the "racists" are jews, of course.

Okay, not really. But, never mind that none of you had CONDEMNED Germany, Jordan, or Egypt for "racism" for having these laws, while israel's law of return is universally condemend. How many of you have even HEARD about these laws?


Why this double standard? I suggest that it is for the same reason the jews were hated in the past for being against Communism, or Capitalism, or Christianity, or Rome, or progress, or nationalism, or country X, or its enemy, country Y.

For some people--like, on this forum, "A Unique Person" and "The Fool", among others--"Human Rights" has become not a concern, but a religion, the one true faith, the same way Communism, or Nationalism, or Christianity, etc., are for others. Once it is the one true faith, there must be a heretic, as well--and the heretic, those who must be punished for their "lack of respect for human rights" (or "killing Christ", or "spreading international Bolshevism", or...), is (of course) the jew.

This explains why "The Fool" and "A Unique Person" has so little concern for real human rights violations: what is important is not to improve human rights anywhere, but to protest one's faith (by bashing israel). This also explains why they couldn't care less about human right abuses elsewhere: what was important was to find a convenient heretic to display one's faith, and once the jews are found, there is no need to look any further.

oh boo F*cking hoo loser.
As one of the most blatant offensive racists and liars I have ever had the misfortune to meet, you feel that you have a right to misrepresent my position on any topic you feel like... I care about human rights abuses anywhere. I have on numerous occasions condemned Palestinian organisations and Arab governments for racist policies....It is YOU that refuse to see racism on one side of this Issue. It is YOU who feels justified in making blatant racist attacks on palestinians......It is YOU who feels you have no obligation to site examples when you accuse me of something.

Please feel free to support your accusations with examples if you can (you can't, you never have been able to).. When I call you for racist statements I am more than happy to quote the statements.

Part of the price of taking on racists is that they tend to spam the board for a while afterwards crying about not being able to attack thier targets unchallanged....well, I say again...Boo F*cking hoo loser.

Your whining is giving me a headache.

 

[clk]

Uhm, American, how is it that you know so much about what's in the womens bathroom?

He's a janitor. To be more specific, I've heard that he just got promoted to assistant janitor, and he is making $8.00 an hour now. Way to go, American! We're all very proud of you!

 

[a_unique_person]

For some people--like, on this forum, "A Unique Person" and "The Fool", among others--"Human Rights" has become not a concern, but a religion, the one true faith, the same way Communism, or Nationalism, or Christianity, etc., are for others. Once it is the one true faith, there must be a heretic, as well--and the heretic, those who must be punished for their "lack of respect for human rights" (or "killing Christ", or "spreading international Bolshevism", or...), is (of course) the jew.

If you can think of a better group, I'd like to hear about them. Until then, Jews it is.

 

[UserGoogol]

Some countries stand out more than others. Turkmenistan's government is a sick joke, and yet people tend to not think about it so much. Israel, to contrast, is deeply lodged in the public eye, and whatever civil rights gaffes they might have stand out.

Syria and Egypt don't stand out as much as Israel because their problems are so damned common in that area. A country which borders Israel is antisemetic? A Middle-Eastern nation is tied with Islam? Whoop-de-doo. But Israel, that's where you've got something unique.

I'm not really sure about Germany, though.

 

[Skeptic]

Re: Re: Double Standards Again...

oh boo F*cking hoo loser.

Anoher instance of "The Fool's" method of argument in action.

 

[Skeptic]

Re: Re: Double Standards Again...

If you can think of a better group, I'd like to hear about them. Until then, Jews it is.

When all else fails, try sarcasm, eh, AUP?

 

[Skeptic]

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I care about human rights abuses anywhere.

Oh really?

When was the last time you posted anything on this board condemning, say, the massacres of Rwanda or Sudan? How about what's going on in Mali? Nigeria seems to have trouble with human rights too, have you posted about that? Where are your posts about human rights abuses in Iran? China? Argentina? Chad? Tibet? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Peru? Russia? North Korea? Or a few dozen other countries I could name?

Of course, they don't exist, Mr. "I care about human rights everywhere". Care to prove me wrong? Want to count how many posts you have about "human right abuses" in israel as opposed to how many posts you have about human rights abuses in the rest of the world put together?

 

[a_unique_person]

Re: Re: Re: Double Standards Again...

I care about human rights abuses anywhere.

Oh really?

When was the last time you posted anything on this board condemning, say, the massacres of Rwanda or Sudan? How about what's going on in Mali? Nigeria seems to have trouble with human rights too, have you posted about that? Where are your posts about human rights abuses in Iran? China? Argentina? Chad? Tibet? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Peru? Russia? North Korea? Or a few dozen other countries I could name?

Of course, they don't exist, Mr. "I care about human rights everywhere". Care to prove me wrong? Want to count how many posts you have about "human right abuses" in israel as opposed to how many posts you have about human rights abuses in the rest of the world put together?

I have posted on and started threads about human rights in other areas of the world. Have you?

 

[Chaos]

What I am quoting from is a law that was in force in Germany for decades after WWII, giving citizenship to ethnic Germans;

Would you care to give sources for that?

As far as I know, (and I should know, being a German) German citizenship is automatically granted if at least one parent already has German citizenship.
That is nothing out of the ordinary, and certainly not a reason to bash Germany yet again. As far as I know, every country in the world has either this rule or gives automatic citizenship to anybody born in the country.

 

[Cain]

Septic blathered:

When was the last time you posted anything on this board condemning, say, the massacres of Rwanda or Sudan? How about what's going on in Mali? Nigeria seems to have trouble with human rights too, have you posted about that? Where are your posts about human rights abuses in Iran? China? Argentina? Chad? Tibet? Egypt? Libya? Syria? Peru? Russia? North Korea? Or a few dozen other countries I could name?

Warning: self-evident fact ahead
On these type of topics people post threads that will generate discussion and debate. This is precisely why your idiotic rants often garner so many replies.

The human rights abuses of Islamic regimes (for example) are known -- if only vaguely -- to most people. Human rights abuses committed by Israel are not well-known, particularly in the United States, Israel's most important diplomatic and financial supporter by far. Worse, apologists such as yourself attempt to justify, rationalize, and excuse these atrocities.

Is anyone making excuses on behalf of Islamic states for their horrible human rights records? No, it's regarded as non-controverisal, and therefore not subject to intense discussion.

This explains why "The Fool" and "A Unique Person" has so little concern for real human rights violations: what is important is not to improve human rights anywhere, but to protest one's faith (by bashing israel). This also explains why they couldn't care less about human right abuses elsewhere: what was important was to find a convenient heretic to display one's faith, and once the jews are found, there is no need to look any further.

Slimey.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

Re: Re: Re: Double Standards Again...

Skeptic, I consider you an OK guy, and I have given you a direct factual answer to your question.

Yeah Israel has a "double standard" or more precisely an ethnically preferential standard for citizenship.

However, the Israeli government has also given citizenship to a bunch of non-Jews, which is controversal among Jews.

Why get worked up about it? Are you itching to be an Israeli?

If you are not Jewish and male, convince an Orthodox rabbi to have you clipped and dipped. If female, dipped is enough.

You are then Jew enough to be Israeli.

 

[a_unique_person]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Double Standards Again...

Skeptic, I consider you an OK guy, and I have given you a direct factual answer to your question.

Yeah Israel has a "double standard" or more precisely an ethnically preferential standard for citizenship.

However, the Israeli government has also given citizenship to a bunch of non-Jews, which is controversal among Jews.

Why get worked up about it? Are you itching to be an Israeli?

If you are not Jewish and male, convince an Orthodox rabbi to have you clipped and dipped. If female, dipped is enough.

You are then Jew enough to be Israeli.

It's not that simple. Many of those non-Jews have been shunted off to the settlements to boost the numbers, an act that those Israelis responsible for this act should be ashamed of.

 

[a_unique_person]

Re: Re: Re: Double Standards Again...

When all else fails, try sarcasm, eh, AUP?

Well, it's either that flogging the "strawman' fallacy again, but I think you beat me to it.

 

[Earthborn]

Awfully racist laws, aren't they?

Sure, but that's nothing compared to the hypocritical laws in The Netherlands.

In the Netherlands, everyone is obligated to join the army, except the Frisians. Nice isn't it, that they are allowed to choose? Well, since Frisians are heavily discriminated against, and the army is often used against them, they would be crazy if they joined it. So they don't.

People who have served in the army get all kinds of benefits. Since Frisians would be crazy to join it, they are left out of all kinds of benefits. But they get the same rights as those Dutch people who were exempted on moral grounds to join to the army right? No, that's not true. The Dutch who did not serve in the army get the same benefits as those that did.

Because Frisians can't join the army without suffering abuse, they are effectively excluded from all sorts of regulations that are available to all the Dutch, whether they served the army or not, even though these are officially only for those that did.

Even though there are no laws that are officially directed at Frisians, it is awfully discriminatory, isn't it? Apperently it isn't strictly necessary to have laws specifically directed against a group of the population in order for them be interpreted in a way that results in severe discrimination. Why isn't the Netherlands condemned for it?

Well, the reason is it isn't true. There are no such laws in the Netherlands. What I presented is the situation in Israel. I just replaced 'Israel' with 'the Netherlands', 'Israeli' with 'Dutch' and 'Palestinian' with 'Frisian'.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

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It's not that simple. Many of those non-Jews have been shunted off to the settlements to boost the numbers, an act that those Israelis responsible for this act should be ashamed of.

How is that "not that simple"? Once you're in, you're what the government says you are. Simple.

What's to be ashamed of? Settlements? Why is it a provocation to have Jews (or gentile Roumanians or whatever) move into the neighborhood?

If Jews or Roumanians moved into your neighborhood and someone objected, I am sure you would call it racist.