Donna DeMarco, Pendulum Chiro-Dowser

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Kramer said:
In point of fact, we cannot even state confidently that we understand what it is exactly that you are claiming the ability to demonstrate, and you must be clear on that before we can proceed.
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I believe she's talking about chakra spine dowsing.

http://www.angelzone.org/chakras.htm
http://www.reiki-for-holistic-health.com/chakra-balancing-healing.html
http://www.avcweb.com/dreams/colour-aura.htm

So your request--"If we randomly choose the names of 20 individuals, some of whom are living and some of whom are dead, can you identify them as living or dead? If so, how many times do you propose (out of 20) that you would be correct?"--is kinda beside the point. The point of chakra dowsing is not to tell live people from dead people. The purpose of chakra dowsing is to compile a spine chart for a person that you already know is alive, so challenging her to use chakra dowsing to tell live people from dead people is kinda pointless.

But the pendulums are pretty. :D
 
If you write the name of a person on a chart, surely there will numerous people who have that name, some dead, some alive. Without some other identifying information, you could not conclude anything simply with a name.
 
From what I can make out her first claim is to be able to hold a pendulum over a spine chart (whatever that is). If there is no name on the spine chart the pendulum will not move, if there is a name on the spine chart it will rotate.

This should be enough for a very simple test. She could be presented with a certain number of "spine charts". Some of these spine charts would have names written on them and some would not. Where the name would be written would be covered with a 3x5 index card that would be taped to the chart insuring that no one present during the testing can tell if a name is on the chart or not. She determines if each chart has a name on it and writes the word "name" on the top of the chart (or "no name"). When she is done the cards are removed and her score can be easily determined.

LLH
 
LordoftheLeftHand said:
From what I can make out her first claim is to be able to hold a pendulum over a spine chart (whatever that is). If there is no name on the spine chart the pendulum will not move, if there is a name on the spine chart it will rotate.

This should be enough for a very simple test. She could be presented with a certain number of "spine charts". Some of these spine charts would have names written on them and some would not. Where the name would be written would be covered with a 3x5 index card that would be taped to the chart insuring that no one present during the testing can tell if a name is on the chart or not. She determines if each chart has a name on it and writes the word "name" on the top of the chart (or "no name"). When she is done the cards are removed and her score can be easily determined.
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Maybe, but she doesn't state whether she needs to be able to see the name or not (I have my suspicions).

Goshawk: You could have warned us about the [rule 8] music on that first link!
 
Mojo said:
Maybe, but she doesn't state whether she needs to be able to see the name or not (I have my suspicions).

Goshawk: You could have warned us about the [rule 8] music on that first link!
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I understand what you’re saying.

I was just trying to think of a proper test that would be as close as possible to what she is claiming. Ultimately I see no way to test her so long as she is allowed to hold the pendulum herself and see if a name is written on the chart.

As you pointed out; false names or names of the dead will likely be useless for a test like this. This would give the applicant too much wiggle room. For any name given, it would likely be easy to find a living and a dead person that shares the name.

LLH
 
Maybe a name and a phone number? Or a SSN (but I don't want her knowing mine!). The living or dead thing seems like the best way to test her - it's not exactly what she was proposing to do, but included in her list of various claims, and possibly the only testable one. Like Demkina seeing every cell in a body - most of her claims were unverifiable without doing an autopsy - it may be a similar case here.

Or we could write Fowlsound's name on the chart and see what she comes up with. :D
 
Mojo said:
Goshawk: You could have warned us about the [rule 8] music on that first link!
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Oops, sorry, my bad--I keep my 'puter speakers turned off because the noise of doors slamming as people sign in and out on AOL bugs me, so I didn't know it had music. Sorry.
 
It seems to me like she doesn't actually have a paranormal claim. This looks like a demonstration of a particular kind of chiropractory that has no distinction from science.

I find it surprising that people apply thinking that holding a pendulum above someone's spine and assigning a series of colors to a chart would make someone eligible for a million dollars. On the other hand, she did mention making a pendulum swing "with no movement of the hand," so she's probably just another applicant that misunderstands the ideomotor effect.

I think too many people misunderstand the challenge- as though it was a contest to demonstrate the inner workings of some quack practice and toss around theories. I could blab for pages about Qi energy and the power of biorythms if I would be paid a million dollars for it. If the power doesn't contradict the laws of physics, it's not paranormal.
 
FortyTwo said:
If you write the name of a person on a chart, surely there will numerous people who have that name, some dead, some alive. Without some other identifying information, you could not conclude anything simply with a name.
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There you go. Provide her with a list of twenty persons, all of whom are named John Smith and let her go to work.
 
Admiral said:
It seems to me like she doesn't actually have a paranormal claim. This looks like a demonstration of a particular kind of chiropractory that has no distinction from science.

I find it surprising that people apply thinking that holding a pendulum above someone's spine and assigning a series of colors to a chart would make someone eligible for a million dollars. On the other hand, she did mention making a pendulum swing "with no movement of the hand," so she's probably just another applicant that misunderstands the ideomotor effect.

I think too many people misunderstand the challenge- as though it was a contest to demonstrate the inner workings of some quack practice and toss around theories. I could blab for pages about Qi energy and the power of biorythms if I would be paid a million dollars for it. If the power doesn't contradict the laws of physics, it's not paranormal.
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I'm as clueless as the rest of us when it comes to understanding the application, but it sounds to me like she waves the crystal over a picture of the spine. She does this three times, for emotional/physical/mental energy. A dead person has mental energy, often has emotional energy, but never physical.

If the picture is not labeled with a name, the pendulum does not move. If the picture is labeled, it moves appropriately, depending on whether the person is living or dead, and generally his physical, mental and emotional state.

It's therefore combining chiropractic (no), dowsing (no), crystal therapy (no), energy fields (no) and some sort of telepathic communication (no).:boggled:
 
FortyTwo said:
If you write the name of a person on a chart, surely there will numerous people who have that name, some dead, some alive. Without some other identifying information, you could not conclude anything simply with a name.
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My name is Heironymous diAugustus Lilliputatus. DFind a match for that... :D
 
StoatBringer said:
OMG! And I thought I was the only one! :eye-poppi
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[sings] Heironymous diAugustus Lilliputatus, Thaaaaaat's my name too! [/sings]

It's even the less (popular, according to a web search) spelling of Heironymous/Hieronymous.

The issue is the inability to conclusively identify the non-existance of another individidual with the same name. An applicant could simply claim such a person exists, perhaps in the depths of an African jungle, and has a...red spine? I forget exactly what she was going to claim about each person.
 
the claims she makes are no more,and no less ,idiotic than the whole idea of Chiropractic to begin with. Look at the entire range of claims Chiropractic "doctors" make, why is this one any more outrageous than curing cancer via a spinal manipulatiuon? or turning water rusty when electricity is passed through the water via a copper wire and passed off as proof of the "detoxifying effects of the E B-305 machine." It is ALL stupid....nonsense,,, it does sell and make money....Which leads me to a new theory .... follow the money and you will always find a quack at the end of the line....
 
lawman said:
Which leads me to a new theory .... follow the money and you will always find a quack at the end of the line....
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A sound theory, as there's a logical connection at work here: cash and ducks both concern bills.
 
I formally offer to be part of her dowsing expiriment. Nothing says amusing like my spine in a woo theory.
 
Bloody hell. I didn't think of that, FS.

I've never asked, but is your spinal surgery obviously done? For some reason I think of you wearing a brace of some sort. And I have difficulty not imagining the purple sparks...
 
There we go! 10 charts with names on, she just has to pick the one that's fowlsound's! Only problem would be if she gets to see the name, as his name is not that hard to find on the forum.
 
Kiless said:
Bloody hell. I didn't think of that, FS.

I've never asked, but is your spinal surgery obviously done? For some reason I think of you wearing a brace of some sort. And I have difficulty not imagining the purple sparks...
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I've had many people comment that they would never have guessed I had my surgery. No braces and no cane (going on a year now!) so unless Ihad my shirt off and she saw the scars, she'd never know.

Problem is my picture's all over the skepticality site and this week's swift, so she'd know me by sight.

I am sure we can find some other patients though, that have something similar to me...
 
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