Does any body know...

[Jon_in_london]

Having a chat with Trouble last night and she said that the bible says- in the new testament- that you can do pretty much as you please provided you accept Jesus as your personal saviour. Furthermore, accepting Jesus trumps all old testament rules and regulations including the ten commandments.

I challenged her to show me where it says so in the bible- I doubt it says so anywhere and Im 99.999% certain that she wont be able to me where it says so in any case.

But I have heard this type of thing from other christians- that Jesus basically absolved people of all the old testament stuff.

Can anybody point out to me whence this belief came from?

 

[Zero]

Having a chat with Trouble last night and she said that the bible says- in the new testament- that you can do pretty much as you please provided you accept Jesus as your personal saviour. Furthermore, accepting Jesus trumps all old testament rules and regulations including the ten commandments.

I challenged her to show me where it says so in the bible- I doubt it says so anywhere and Im 99.999% certain that she wont be able to me where it says so in any case.

But I have heard this type of thing from other christians- that Jesus basically absolved people of all the old testament stuff.

Can anybody point out to me whence this belief came from?

Usually, they say that in oder to avoid the less-pleasant aspects of the OT, you know....like killing babies and not being able to wear blended fabrics.

I've never heard anyone say that the TC didn't count anymore,but you can never tell with those wacky Christians, can you?

 

[Brown]

You can have a look at this link, but the link only touches upon the question.

When Jesus discussed the Commandments (see Matthew 19:17-19), he omitted a few commandments from his list, and added a new one. Some folks say, then, that some of the Old Testament commandments are still good, and some are questionable. One of the questionable commandments pertains to strict recognition of the Sabbath. The gospels report that Jesus and his disciples angered the local religious authorities by not respecting the Sabbath. Jesus basically opined that the religious rules pertaining to the Sabbath were stupid.

In general, there is no consensus on the question of what Old Testament laws are still valid. Some say all, some say none, some say somewhere in between. There is no single official "Christian" position on the matter.

 

[JesFine]

I always thought this belief had to do with John 3:16 (famous because of the banner you see at all the baseball games) which says:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This can be interpreted as all you have to do is "believeth" in Jesus to make it to heaven. This is especially popular with all the folks who really want to go to heaven but also don't want it to be too hard. Kind of a get-blessed quick scheme.

 

[Brown]

This [John 3:16] can be interpreted as all you have to do is "believeth" in Jesus to make it to heaven.

Although there is some support in the Bible for the notion that belief is all you need, every church seems to add at least one "catch." If you indeed accept Christ as your savior, they say, then certain other obligations attach. For example, you must attend church regularly and donate a portion of your income to the church. You must refrain from certain pleasurable and legal activities (the particular forbidden activities vary from church to church). You are obliged to accept certain questionable practices as valid and helpful. You must adopt an unquestioning attitude toward certain religious matters. Some churches oblige you to adopt a certain position on various political issues. Yes, there is always a "catch."

 

[Atlas]

This is my take on it.
In the gospel of Matthew Jesus speaks as if the law continues to apply ...

Matthew 5:
[17] Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
[19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20] For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Interpret "All is accomplished" [17,18] by the death and ressurection and you might accept Paul saying later that ....

(Rom 10:4) For Christ (the Messiah) is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.

(Gal 3:24-25) So that the Law has become a trainer of us until Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But faith coming, we are no longer under a trainer.

Remember Paul thought that Gentiles were ok for the Jewish Messiah and couldn't realy be expected to keep all the OT rules)
Very convenient for the Christians - All you need is faith. One note... The Law is often considered by Christians as the entire old testament. It's not that.

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

Matthew 5:
[17] Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.




Xians better stop working on Sat., shaving, playing football, eating catfish.......