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Doctor who tried to cure cancer with talk therapy & chamomile sentenced

cosmicaug

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It almost looks to me like the defense attorney was trying to get her client off on the pretense of "heath freedom".

Full article because the original is in Spanish and I thought it would be useful to translate it to English since the one article in English I found has so much less information than this one. I did not bother including the hyperlinks embedded in the text of the original article because they are unrelated to the associated text and only tangentially related to the article. Also, I corrected an error in spelling of the name of the convicted found in the title of the original article.

Note: Fatto appears to be an Italian newspaper.

From http://www.abc.es/sociedad/abci-condenada-doctora-pretendia-curar-cancer-psicologia-y-manzanilla-201704110321_noticia.html
Doctor who tried to cure cancer with psychology and chamomile sentenced
A Turin court convicts Dr. Germana Durando to a two years and six months prison term for manslaughter of a 53-year-old female patient. She claimed that cancer is cured "with herbs and words"


"No drugs to cure cancer. Psychology and homeopathy are sufficient". This was the motto of Dr. Germana Durando, who was a follower of "hamerian therapy" in her Turin medical practice, therapy created by German physician Rike Geerd Hamer, who is barred from medical practice. Now a Turin court has sentenced her to two years and six months for wrongful death or involuntary manslaughter by causing the death of a patient, Marina Lallo, who had a malignant melanoma on the left shoulder of 5 millimeters.

For nine years she was convinced by Dr. Durando that she could cure it with chamomile and "psychological" sessions. In her opinion, the melanoma had been caused by a psychological trauma, following the breakup of Marina with her boyfriend. "The fight against cancer must be a struggle against your psychological problems," Germana Durando keept telling Marina. She was so convincing to patients that they called her "Saint" Germana Durando. When Marina Lallo finally went to a hospital, she was operated on for melanoma - a 14-centimeter mass - but it was too late. Soon after, he died, at age 53.

Prosecutor Rossella Salvati had asked for a 4-year jail term for Dr. Germana Durando, who defended herself before the judge by saying that her patient "Marina had a phobia about conventional medicine, chemo and radiotherapy." His lawyer, Stefano Castrale, has defended "the freedom of cures available to a patient, of which the right not to be cured must also be recognized."

Charlatans

This is not an isolated case. The Hamer method has caused at least 140 deaths in Europe, several in Italy. Although Hamer, a former internist, is barred from medical practice, he has been convicted several times for abusive practice of the profession and fraud. Hamer developed his theory after the death of his son, because of a bullet shot from the carbine of Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy, who was the pretender to the throne of Italy, during a fight in the island of Cavallo in Corsica.

A year later, Hamer suffered testicular cancer which was cured thanks to a surgical intervention. According to him, the tumor was caused by the trauma of his son's death. Later, when his wife also became ill and died of cancer, following Hamerian therapy, he confessed: "It seems that my wife did not believe totally."

In Italy there are also many people who continue to put their trust in methods that have nothing to do with science, like the charlatan claiming to be an oncologist who stated that the tumors are a fungus curable with bicarbonate. The magistrate Raffaele Guarinello, who has had to open numerous cases against these charlatans, explains this way to the "Fatto" this phenomenon that abounds greatly in Italy: "The timings of justice don't match up with those of medicine. And, in the meantime, the elements of fascination with the "new" therapies become inscribed in a system of beliefs that feed on themselves and become resistant to reality.
 
The Hamer method has caused at least 140 deaths in Europe, several in Italy. Although Hamer, a former internist, is barred from medical practice, he has been convicted several times for abusive practice of the profession and fraud. Hamer developed his theory after the death of his son, because of a bullet shot from the carbine of Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy, who was the pretender to the throne of Italy, during a fight in the island of Cavallo in Corsica.

As an interesting aside, the not so good doctor who originated this therapy seems to have a supervillain origin story. It is claimed that this all started when the pretender to the Italian throne of SavoyWP shot his son dead (apparently, the ******* prince was even recorded bragging about it many years later while jailed for an unrelated charge).
 
Dead from a 1/4" melanoma. I cut myself worse than the surgery everyday.

Darwin award anybody?

Dermatologist appt tomorrow for a suspected Basal Cell Carcinoma. This one is on the front of my thigh, I get to watch.
 
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Dead from a 1/4" melanoma. I cut myself worse than the surgery everyday.

Darwin award anybody?

Dead 9 years later from a 1/4" melanoma. By the time you see this, if you are unlucky, it could be too late. In this case, it's almost certain she would have been cured.
 
Don't disrespect Doctor Who!

I didn't. If it had been a Doctor Who reference capitalization would have been different and the title would have been something like "Doctor Who tried to cure cancer with sonic screwdriver & chamomile".
 
[her] lawyer, Stefano Castrale, has defended "the freedom of cures available to a patient, of which the right not to be cured must also be recognized"

There is a difference between voluntarily rejecting medical treatment and seeking a cure though "alternative" therapies that prove ultimately to be nonsense/fraud.
 
That's pretty interesting, however, the reality about cancer is that cancer doesn't exist.

It's been known since the 1860s that what doctors diagnose as cancer is indistinguishable from an injury. There is no cancer monster that's trying to kill the patient; it's a failed healing response.

"Cancer" is injured tissue in need of repair, and oncologists are trained to treat damage with treatments that cause further damage: that's the sum of their medical intelligence.

The reality is, anybody diagnosed with cancer will be perfectly fine if they do nothing. The only threat is the cancer industry itself.
 
For most of recorded history nothing was done for cancer patients because nothing could be done. It was almost invariably fatal. So that is definitely in the running for the title of silliest first post ever made on this forum.
 
"Cancer" is injured tissue in need of repair, and oncologists are trained to treat damage with treatments that cause further damage: that's the sum of their medical intelligence.

The reality is, anybody diagnosed with cancer will be perfectly fine if they do nothing. The only threat is the cancer industry itself.

Your ignorance can be cured. what-is-cancer
 
That's pretty interesting, however, the reality about cancer is that cancer doesn't exist.

It's been known since the 1860s that what doctors diagnose as cancer is indistinguishable from an injury. There is no cancer monster that's trying to kill the patient; it's a failed healing response.

"Cancer" is injured tissue in need of repair, and oncologists are trained to treat damage with treatments that cause further damage: that's the sum of their medical intelligence.

The reality is, anybody diagnosed with cancer will be perfectly fine if they do nothing. The only threat is the cancer industry itself.

Well if you have ever seen an injury and seen a cancer they are pretty easy to distinguish.

The earliest description of cancer and the difficulty in treating it is probably from 1600BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cancer
 
....The reality is, anybody diagnosed with cancer will be perfectly fine if they do nothing. The only threat is the cancer industry itself.
So you're suggesting that people who did not get their cancer treated did not die from it; at any time?

Ranb
 
For most of recorded history nothing was done for cancer patients because nothing could be done. It was almost invariably fatal. So that is definitely in the running for the title of silliest first post ever made on this forum.


My poor dog, if we’d only known she had a totally symptom free large tumour deep in her abdomen that eventually started to bleed we could have carried on doing nothing and she would have survived... so it was the visit to the vets and her being put on oxygen that killed her. If we’d only left her with blue gums panting to get breath for a few more hours she would have got better.

Seriously never mind in humans, lots of animals get cancer and often we will decide to not do any treatment so what do those dogs and cats die from?

How can anyone consider that crap to be true?
 
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... cancer doesn't exist.... treatments that cause further damage...

Welcome to the forum. In your opinion, which among chamomile and psycological sessions is the most probable cause of the death described in the OP?
Also, there is a Humor subforum, if you missed it ;)
 
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My poor dog, if we’d only known she had a totally symptom free large tumour deep in her abdomen that eventually started to bleed we could have carried on doing nothing and she would have survived... so it was the visit to the vets and her being put on oxygen that killed her. If we’d only left her with blue gums panting to get breath for a few more hours she would have got better.


Nothing worse than oxygen! Coronavirus patients being put on oxygen are much more likely to die than those who aren't. Ventilators and respirators are even worse. :rolleyes:
I guess 'healthguy3000' might be a professional conflater of correlation and causation.
 

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