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Do celebrities get off the hook because....

Iamme

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...they are celebrities?

Actualy, more specifically...they are allowed to walk, because it is pay back time. In these recent high-profile cases, like O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, and now Michael Jackson...the defense has been able to show reasonable doubt. But if it were you and me, we would probably have been found guilty. The reasonable doubt thing, gets more carefully considered.

But the jurists err on the extreme side of caution, and perhaps *then* some, by letting them go because they have provided so many people with joy for what they have done, professionally, through the years. Therefore they are willing, in a sense to forgive their one mistake, for their years of service to the American people and to the world.

In the case of Michael Jackson, I am looking for him to get off for similar emotional reasons. The jury all knows already that he is a pedophile. But they will over look it because they will figure that they can let him go, reasonably, without it looking too much like favoritism, because arguments such as: the 1993 case involving Michael was high profile and everyone should have learned from this that Michael is a questionable person and that parents should keep their kids away from him. And if they didn't do so, it was *their* fault, as much as Michaels fault.

The jury knows that if Michael gets sent to prison he could possibly kill himself or be killed by someone who hates pedophiles and/or seeks publicity in the same way that Carver dude killed Jeffrey Dahmer in prison. So, the jurists, not wanting this on their conscious *and* knowing that Michael has brought such happiness to the young fans of his for so many years...they will let him go.

It might not be fair to the rest of us. But when you consider trade-offs...the fact that he has given so much to society as a whole...I can see why celebrities get off the hook, and I guess I am not all that bothered by it, because of that.
 
This reminds me of something I saw in the paper recently. It was just filler a few paragraphs long. It was about Emmanuel Lewis who played the title role in the 1980s TV series "Webster."

He was caught speeding in some town in Georgia. When they saw it was him they let him off and had him take some pictures with the local police and that sort of thing. And it had some quotes from the local police.

The thing that struck me was that they not only that they let him off because he was a celebrity but they also made no effort to even hide it. The police were giving quotes to the media and everything. You'd think they'd at least try to maintain a pretense of equal justice but I guess where celebrities are concerned that sometimes goes out the window.
 
It might not be fair to the rest of us. But when you consider trade-offs...the fact that he has given so much to society as a whole...I can see why celebrities get off the hook, and I guess I am not all that bothered by it, because of that. [/B]

It bothers me a great deal I don't think celebrities such as MJ are contributing "so much." Doctors donating time to Doctors without Borders, people working in soup kitchens, public school teachers, volunteers at child after school programs, THOSE people are contributing to society. A singer? Not so much.

However, I think you are right in that celebrities are given a pass. I think its more along the lines of everyone feeling like they "know" celebrities and its harder to believe bad things about people you know.
 
Number Six said:
This reminds me of something I saw in the paper recently. It was just filler a few paragraphs long. It was about Emmanuel Lewis who played the title role in the 1980s TV series "Webster."

He was caught speeding in some town in Georgia. When they saw it was him they let him off and had him take some pictures with the local police and that sort of thing. And it had some quotes from the local police.

The thing that struck me was that they not only that they let him off because he was a celebrity but they also made no effort to even hide it. The police were giving quotes to the media and everything. You'd think they'd at least try to maintain a pretense of equal justice but I guess where celebrities are concerned that sometimes goes out the window.

The cop got reprimanded for going easy on him.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/0405/20lewis.html
 
Iamme said:
...they are celebrities?

Actualy, more specifically...they are allowed to walk, because it is pay back time. In these recent high-profile cases, like O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, and now Michael Jackson...the defense has been able to show reasonable doubt. But if it were you and me, we would probably have been found guilty.
Guys with Hollywood bucks can also afford better lawyers than you or I.

I saw Abbie Hoffman speak once when I was in college. He talked, among other things, about his experience during the "Chicago 7" trial. He related an (alleged) conversation with William Kunstler:

Hoffman: "Are you as good as Perry Mason?"
Kunstler: "I'm better than Perry Mason."
Hoffman: "How can you be better? He never lost a case!"
Kunstler: "Yeah, but his clients were innocent!"

This is what passed for an educational experience in 1971.
 
Re: Re: Do celebrities get off the hook because....

gethane said:
It bothers me a great deal I don't think celebrities such as MJ are contributing "so much." Doctors donating time to Doctors without Borders, people working in soup kitchens, public school teachers, volunteers at child after school programs, THOSE people are contributing to society. A singer? Not so much.

However, I think you are right in that celebrities are given a pass. I think its more along the lines of everyone feeling like they "know" celebrities and its harder to believe bad things about people you know.

The artificial/assumed familiarity with a celebrity seems likely to play some role in decision making on the part of those they encounter.
It might not always be a positive one..I think it worked against Fatty Arbuckle, and I would hate to see a jury of soap opera watchers get a case involving a villianous actress.

I don't quite agree that working in the arts is less of a contribution than working in the health industry, or that an individual working in a soup kitchen has made more of a contribution than a celebrity endowing a hospital wing, etc.

And even so, that is also the sort of thing that the justice sytem is supposed to be blind to.

Note the 'supposed to' part.
 
I agree with BPSCG. It's all about the money and fame.
Money. to afford top notch lawyers. And fame, beloved by people in genral. The rich and famous are america's royalty.
 
Yes, it is about money. Do you have more money and resources than the justice system?

The average joe is screwed by justice system. A moderately wealthy person stands a decent chance of getting justice. A rich person has more resources than the justice system and frequently gets off even when guilty.

The other thing is that a celebrity may be more likely to wrongly accused due his/her deep pockets. The criminal case can just be prelude to a civil case for a unscrupulous "victim."

CBL
 
One other factor in favour of the rich person is simply motive. Lets suppose myself and Bill Gates get accused of identical crimes, and we both get identical representation. Bill Gates has one defense available that I don't have: the accusor wants a conviction to help a long a civil trial and get $$$$.

Bill Gates needs to meet the standard of "reasonable doubt". With lack of other evidence, is it reasonable to believe that someone who stands to get awarded big bucks in a civil trial might lie?

I would say that even if we did manage to create a "blind" justice system, rich people would stand a better chance and defending the selves. They often have one more tool in their bag of tricks for casting doubt on their accusor.

I am not suggesting that this is necessarily why MJ and others have got off recently. But in this case, the defense Jackson's lawyers are using wouldn't really be available to most people.

Walt
 

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