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Discussion of Multiple Personality Disorder

Fade

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Multiple Personality Disorder.

As inspired by another thread, here's one where we can discuss the psychological phenomena known as Multiple Personality Disorder, or more accurately, Dissociative Identity Disorder.


The way the movies and television portrays this condition is not really very accurate as to what is really gone on in the mind of a dissociative. So, the perception people have about the disorder would lead to them believing it doesn't exist. And, they are right, in that sense. A dissociative doesn't have dozens of different people living inside of them with different memories and feelings. At least, I have never met anyone who genuinely suffers from that condition. :D

In fact, the majority of cases in which a person was displaying such tendencies, the psychologist was to blame. I recall several cases where a person would claim MPD as a defense, only to have the psychologist expose them as frauds.

Here is how it was done:

Person makes the claim.
Person undergoes counseling to verify.
Person is pounded under scrutiny to see if they personalities are consistent.
Psychologist drops hints, very subtle, pointing to the way a "real" dissociative acts.
Person begins taking on these traits.

Voila, person exposed.

However, there is a real condition (in my opinion, being that I don't suffer from it, I can never be 100% certain what goes on in the brains of my fellow primates) in which dissociation takes place. This condition is strongly linked to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. It is thought that often an extremely traumatic event can spawn "new" personality. A memory, or entire set of memories, is absolutely repressed within the mind, and the conscious mind has no ability to remember that the events ever took place. This can sometimes bleed over, for lack of a better term, into other aspects of their waking minds.

It can also happen on a more immediate basis. For instance, during a rape, a person can escape from the situation and completely dissociate. The result would be a big blank surrounding the period. Nearly any trauma of severe enough significance can cause this, I have heard statistics citing things like 5% of all the population has suffered this at one point, though I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not, so take that with a grain of salt.

Research suggests that people who do wind up dissociating suffered significant trauma at many different points throughout their childhood. Because of this trauma, the child creates what is called an alternate ego-state. That is, a place where that trauma doesn't exist, and the child is normal and happy. This new ego-state can, and sometimes does, rise when the child grows into an adult. The escape, in some people, can be so severe that they cease to be able to function.

I am sure there is a lot of ground that I didn't cover, but this is because I only have a passing fancy with MPD and DID at all. My specialities (which were schizophrenia, as well as general sociology) had only passing acquaintance with the concept of new personalities (as opposed to hallucination).

For more information, I suggest google.

Or, read things like
http://www.sidran.org/didbr.html
http://www.psycom.net/mchugh.html
http://www.healthubs.com/dissociative/

And of course, our friends at ReligiousTolerance.org has links to arguments for and against
http://www.religioustolerance.org/mpd_did.htm
 
Fade, this state of repressed memory, how many people repress and how many don't? How uncommon is it? For me, a traumatic event is etched in my mind and it's hard to forget. Why does one disassociate, and some do not?
 
Why does one disassociate, and some do not?

I don't know for sure.

Perhaps something to do with ones culture. We do a lot to predispose our children to different phobias and disorders. I dare say most psychological problems are either directly or indirectly caused by ones parents. I don't think Freud was 100% off the mark in his musings on the role our parents play in our psychological development.

It seems to me that our minds are much too complex to have evolved a set of instructions along with our intelligence. I think nature granted us only the ability to eat and reproduce, and the rest of our gray matter was pretty much open to whatever environment we happened to live in. I wish I had some big book of statistics telling me who does and who does not begin to dissociate, but I don't. In fact, I have never actually participated directly in either a study involving this disorder, nor was I present during it's treatment.
 
Fade,

At the age of about two or three, a teenager stubbed out his cigarette on the lower right hand side of my abdomen. I only found this out when, in my own teens, I asked my father how I'd gotten that scar.

Should I be looking for a hidden personality?
 
Denise said:
Fade, this state of repressed memory, how many people repress and how many don't? How uncommon is it? For me, a traumatic event is etched in my mind and it's hard to forget. Why does one disassociate, and some do not?

NO ONE dissociates from traumatic events. One of our defense mechanisms is to remember traumatic events more clearly, so we can form a strategy if it should happen again. The only way they could be forgotten is if a person's long-term memory is either compromised by physical trauma, or the person is very young and hasn't developed long-term memory yet.
 
Re: Multiple Personality Disorder.

Fade said:

It can also happen on a more immediate basis. For instance, during a rape, a person can escape from the situation and completely dissociate. The result would be a big blank surrounding the period. Nearly any trauma of severe enough significance can cause this, I have heard statistics citing things like 5% of all the population has suffered this at one point, though I have absolutely no idea if this is true or not, so take that with a grain of salt.

It's important to draw a distinction between people who dissociate from a memory and those who simply decline to talk about it. This is especially true when sexual assault is involved. Also, I would be interested to know how many of those 5% suffered physical trauma that could account for their "dissociation".

Research suggests that people who do wind up dissociating suffered significant trauma at many different points throughout their childhood. Because of this trauma, the child creates what is called an alternate ego-state. That is, a place where that trauma doesn't exist, and the child is normal and happy. This new ego-state can, and sometimes does, rise when the child grows into an adult. The escape, in some people, can be so severe that they cease to be able to function.

I don't know to what research you are referring, but I'm skeptical about its quality. The idea that people can dissociate from trauma is based mainly on anecdotes and folklore. Pop psychologists have been reinforcing this belief in each other for years.

Any study that involves memories of a KNOWN, VERIFIABLE traumatic event (such as the kidnapped schoolchildren a while back who were buried underground) has shown that memory of the event was very clear and relatively accurate. In the case of the kidnapped children, NOT ONE of them repressed the memory. If the phenomenon is as widespread as some psychologists say, then why didn't at least one of them "dissociate"?

Most anecdotes of repressed memory are based on ASSUMED, UNFALSIFIABLE traumatic events, such as alleged sexual abuse before the age of three.
 
There's the problem aggle, it's not always possible to verify events.

As with most things in psychology, take it with a grain of salt.
 
I'm pretty open to the idea that MPD may be real, but I don't think it's possible to prove or disprove it. It's all about what's going on in the mind of the "victim". In a particular case you might be able to show that MPD is being faked, but that wouldn't prove there are no real cases.

I have only read popular accounts of MPD, but what seems to be a common thread is repeated exposure to the same traumatic event such as beatings or molestation. The victim knows what 's coming and knows there's nothing he/she can do about it. The dissociation supposedly is a coping mechanism for escaping from a familiar trauma which the victim is powerless to avoid.

BTW, is there such a thing as NPD (No Personality Disorder)? I think I might have it ;)
 
I have noticed more Washingtonians lately!

Seems there are, what, 3 of us now?
 
BillyJoe said:
Fade,

At the age of about two or three, a teenager stubbed out his cigarette on the lower right hand side of my abdomen. I only found this out when, in my own teens, I asked my father how I'd gotten that scar.

Should I be looking for a hidden personality?
You didn't reply so you probably thought my question wasn't serious but.....

My point was that that cigarette burning into my abdomen at age two or three must have bloody well hurt. Yet I don't remember it. But it couldn't have been so bad that I would have repressed it. So what gives?
 
I was mistaken when I said memories of traumatic events were "very clear and relatively accurate". Studies show they are NOT accurate, but tend to become distorted over time. However, the basic elements are not forgotten.

The studies in question were discussed in these articles:

C.P. Malmquist, "Children who Witness Parental Murder: Post Traumatic Aspects"

L. C. Terr, "Chowchilla Revisited: Effects of Psychic Trauma Four Years After a School Bus Kidnapping"

It might be difficult to find the articles themselves, but there are references to them all over the internet.
 
My point was that that cigarette burning into my abdomen at age two or three must have bloody well hurt. Yet I don't remember it. But it couldn't have been so bad that I would have repressed it. So what gives?

There's your answer.
 
Fade said:


There's your answer.

Yes, but isn't it true that it is currently believed by many of the professionals that a person cannot remember back to the age of two? That what a person may feel are memories of that time are actually created memories from family members telling the subject about certain events?
 
But I do have memories from the age of two or three.

We arrived in Australia when I was about two and a half and I remember the immigration camp especially the shower sheds, the smell of the glycerine soap.....and the two young girls from the camp who used to delight in washing me :)

The cigarette incident happened later after we had moved into rented accomodation. It was the landlord's son who perpretated the act.
 
Most adults don't remember many events from before the age of 5. This is called "infant amnesia" and may be due to the slow maturation of the hippocampus.The puzzling thing is that 5 year olds can remember events from the ages of 3 and 4.

Serious memory researchers like Beth Loftus doubt that traumatic memories are repressed, while clinicians are more likely to believe so (without any hard data).
 
BillyJoe said:
But I do have memories from the age of two or three.

We arrived in Australia when I was about two and a half and I remember the immigration camp especially the shower sheds, the smell of the glycerine soap.....and the two young girls from the camp who used to delight in washing me :)

The cigarette incident happened later after we had moved into rented accomodation. It was the landlord's son who perpretated the act.

I have a memory from about 2 as well. But it seems that many of the researchers feel that an adult cannot have any memories of being two years old. I'm not quite sure why that is, and that's why I posted the query.
 
BillyJoe said:
But I do have memories from the age of two or three.

We arrived in Australia when I was about two and a half and I remember the immigration camp especially the shower sheds, the smell of the glycerine soap.....and the two young girls from the camp who used to delight in washing me :)

The cigarette incident happened later after we had moved into rented accomodation. It was the landlord's son who perpretated the act.

The mind is funny like that.

I remember how my mother smelled when I was young. I asked her about it one day and she said she was particularly fond of a sort of lavender soap that she had found on sale, so she bought a LARGE amount of it and used it for years and years until she ran out and couldn't find it again.

What you have to understand about memory is that it's all associative. Think of our brains as a sophisticated version of winzip, that uses files all over your computer to zip things down into virtually non-existent files, that nevertheless can inflate to something quite large. We remember things through a filter of emotion and previous associations. So, something which ALREADY associates strongly will more often be remembered more clearly.

For instance, I don't like baseball. I have attended maybe three games in my life. I don't remember many specifics of them, other than the teams playing and having my neck sunburned at one. However, I have been to literally hundreds of symphonies during my life, and I can distinctly remember most of them. I can remember what they were playing, how specific movements worked, where my seating was, how it effected the sound I was getting, and if a particular favourite of mine was highlighted that night.

This is because I already have a large background in symphonic music!

For early childhood memories, it's often roll of the dice as to what you will and will not remember. Also, there is no single defining event that will give you a mental illness, it's almost always the result of MANY things.

Yes, but isn't it true that it is currently believed by many of the professionals that a person cannot remember back to the age of two? That what a person may feel are memories of that time are actually created memories from family members telling the subject about certain events?

TOO SPOOKY!

I had written up a few paragraphs about this exact topic under what you quoted and decided to snip it all because I was tired at the time and it probably wouldn't have been very concise!

Most "memories" we have from early childhood are, indeed, very fragmented actual memories liberally soaked with what our parents have told us. This is often why child-informed adoptees often feel as if they have no sense of cultural belonging. They don't have anyone telling them stories of their early childhood. In a sense, they never had one!
 
Fade said:
What you have to understand about memory is that it's all associative. Think of our brains as a sophisticated version of winzip, that uses files all over your computer to zip things down into virtually non-existent files, that nevertheless can inflate to something quite large. We remember things through a filter of emotion and previous associations. So, something which ALREADY associates strongly will more often be remembered more clearly.
This sounds right.

I was probably washed by those young girls every day :) :) :) and smelled the soap every day but I can remember only one occasion when this actually happened. This "occasion" could have been a compilation of all the times that it happened. The repeated occurrences could have served to consolidate the memory.
 

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