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Roadtoad

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Oh, please....

The Christian creators of the sprawling museum, unveiled on Saturday, hope to draw as many as half a million people each year to their state-of-the-art project, which depicts the Bible's first book, Genesis, as literal truth.

While the $27 million museum near Cincinnati has drawn snickers from media and condemnation from U.S. scientists, those who believe God created the heavens and the Earth in six days about 6,000 years ago say their views are finally being represented.

"What we've done here is to give people an opportunity to hear information that is not readily available ... to challenge them that really you can believe the Bible's history," said Ken Ham, president of the group Answers in Genesis that founded the museum.

Here exhibits show the Grand Canyon took just days to form during Noah's flood, dinosaurs coexisted with humans and had a place on Noah's Ark, and Cain married his sister to people the earth, among other Biblical wonders.
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Good, God. They'll do ANYTHING to advance this warped world view.
 
I've mentioned this in a few other threads. Creationists organize trips to museums and such and then give "alternate interpretations" to the presentations, exhibits, dioramas, etc. I'm hoping scientifically minded people will ogranize similar visits to the Creation Museum and I wonder how long AiG would put up with such groups.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
I've mentioned this in a few other threads. Creationists organize trips to museums and such and then give "alternate interpretations" to the presentations, exhibits, dioramas, etc.
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Excuse me...

WTF??!! :confused: :eek:

Any decent museum here would run them out on a rail within minutes. They are not responsible for managing or running the place, so they can take a long walk on a short pier!

UnrepentantSinner said:
I'm hoping scientifically minded people will ogranize similar visits to the Creation Museum and I wonder how long AiG would put up with such groups.
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And behave as badly as them? No, thanks.

Seriously, I would let these people actually run their own museum and not try to shut it down. The reason being that anyone with more than a reptillian brain will find it all vastly amusing and ridiculous. Those with lower cranial capacity could probably not be influenced by any arguments to the contrary anyway.

In short, let them cut their own throats.
 
I did not realize that building 3D representations of utter crapola somehow makes such crapola real. I shall have to visit the Star Wars Museum.

~~ Paul
 
The Christian creators of the sprawling museum, unveiled on Saturday, hope to draw as many as half a million people each year to their state-of-the-art project, which depicts the Bible's first book, Genesis, as literal truth.
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Hm, I wonder if there is also a room in that 'museum' dedicated to Sodom and Gomorrah. Lust, sex and sins explained to visitors with fancy animatronics and in 3D.
 
Zep said:
... Seriously, I would let these people actually run their own museum and not try to shut it down. The reason being that anyone with more than a reptillian brain will find it all vastly amusing and ridiculous. Those with lower cranial capacity could probably not be influenced by any arguments to the contrary anyway.

In short, let them cut their own throats.
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My thoughts exactly ... ignorance is its own worst enemy. I predict it will run its course and then run out of funds ... after all, what can be added to a museum that believes they have all the answers up front and needs no further explanations? Seeing the same nonsense over and over eventually wears thin -- even to the devout. (Not their beliefs -- but the exhibits.) Scientific museums continually change and update with new scientific displays. What ever changes in the Bible's story?
 
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As late as 1989 the US postal service thought Brontosaurus was real:



Its only a small step to convincing them that man co-existed at the same time as these behemoths.

(Originally a Camarasurus head and an Apatasaurus body were erroneously joined to "create" the "Brontosaurus")
 
wahrheit said:
Hm, I wonder if there is also a room in that 'museum' dedicated to Sodom and Gomorrah. Lust, sex and sins explained to visitors with fancy animatronics and in 3D.
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Perhaps they also offer their young daughters for despoiling by angry strangers, Lot style.
 
Zep said:
Seriously, I would let these people actually run their own museum and not try to shut it down. The reason being that anyone with more than a reptillian brain will find it all vastly amusing and ridiculous. Those with lower cranial capacity could probably not be influenced by any arguments to the contrary anyway.

In short, let them cut their own throats.
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The problem, Zep, is they aren't cutting their own throats. Given the rather parlous state of funding for most school districts in the United States, and the monumental misuse of funds by district personnel, we are perpetuating the ignorance that permits this sort of bizarre silliness.

I've mentioned in the past the actions of the Grant School District here in CA, how the superintendent spent something like a million bucks to redecorate her office, (and how her assistant didn't understand why he lost his job, since he only spent half a mil). We recently watched here as the Sacramento City district self-immolated, blowing several million dollars on a new HQ, firing a good superintendent because he said things they didn't like, not to mention a whole host of odd expenditures. All of that resulted in the loss of capital for use in our classrooms, which should have been the main priority.

We could bring a lot of this to a short end if science education in this nation were a priority. But, given the curious passions of the Bush Administration, and the lack of funding for things like NASA, (been reading about a possible journey to Mars, and a number of other topics, and I know that Phil Plait would have a lot to say about this), not to mention the politicization of the EPA, it won't be.

Science at the very least requires a inquisitive mind, if not an objective to work towards. That won't happen when we take our greatest inventions and sell them off, or when we won't enforce patents that people have poured the hearts and souls to acquire. Nor will it happen when corporations swallow up the lion's share of the profits, giving the people responsible for the creation of these innovations nothing more than a gold watch and a pat on the back, along with the pink slip. Science at that point becomes irrelevant to our daily lives, and we lose all that could have been gained.

And this idiocy starts to look to the average person like a possibility, instead of like the fraud that it's promoters know damned good and well that it is.
 
Zep said:
Any decent museum here would run them out on a rail within minutes. They are not responsible for managing or running the place, so they can take a long walk on a short pier!
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Fortunately we believe in freedom of concience here and if groups want to organize themselves for any purpose we allow it at any venue be it a convention, national monument or museum. Unfortunately that freedom of concience allows people spreading misinformation to do so.

Zep said:
And behave as badly as them? No, thanks.
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You missed my point. While mainstream museums allow Creationist groups to conduct their own tours, I've got a notion that the Creationist Museum wouldn't be so accomodating. They scream and wail about wanting equal footing in the classroom or scientific journals, but I've noticed they can't stand the heat when they finally make it into the kitchen.

Zep said:
Seriously, I would let these people actually run their own museum and not try to shut it down. The reason being that anyone with more than a reptillian brain will find it all vastly amusing and ridiculous. Those with lower cranial capacity could probably not be influenced by any arguments to the contrary anyway.

In short, let them cut their own throats.
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Where did I mention shutting it down? I merely suggested giving them a taste of their own tactics and seeing if they respond as accomodatingly as mainstream venues would. Carl Fraud Baugh operates his Creation Evidences Museum about 50 miles from me and I've been tempted to go check it out but never have. The only time I was glad to see one of these bogus places fall on hard times was when Dinosaur Adventure Land got caught up in Hovind's criminal activity, not merely because he's a fraud, but because he was breaking the law.
 
Deetee said:
As late as 1989 the US postal service thought Brontosaurus was real:

[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/US_brontosaurus_stamp.gif/200px-US_brontosaurus_stamp.gif[/qimg]

Its only a small step to convincing them that man co-existed at the same time as these behemoths.

(Originally a Camarasurus head and an Apatasaurus body were erroneously joined to "create" the "Brontosaurus")
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I'm devastated. The wooden Brontosaurus skeleton I had as a kid was my favourite.
 
I believe the Natural History museum in Denver allows a "Biblically correct" tour of the dinosaur exhibits, or at least it did a few years back. All we have to do is point out to the creationist museums that they would get more respect and validity if they let the opposition in, the way big mainstream museums do. (I'm imagining creationist museums have an inferiority complex and very much want to be considered real museums.)

:D I want to try an evolutionary tour in a creation museum. If nothing else, it's worth it for the mischief factor.
 
Zep said:
Any decent museum here would run them out on a rail within minutes.
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Unfortunately, not quite. Many years ago, when I was at university, a group of friends and myself ran into a bunch of fundamentalists having one of these "religion correction tours" in the Melbourne Museum. We, as good science students, tailed them and loudly corrected their misinterpretations of the various displays. This lead to a confrontation, and both us and the fundies were thrown out by security. We laughed. It was fun.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
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