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Dick Durbin vs the Constitution

BeAChooser

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This is what top democrats think of your Constitution, folks:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/durbin-maybe-illegal-alien-will-become-p

June 29, 2011

(CNSNews.com) - Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) said in a congressional hearing Tuesday that a young person who is an illegal alien in the United States today may someday become president.
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Just one little problem with that …

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution as now written states:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.
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:rolleyes:
 
The key word being "could". And the Constitution could be amended to allow it.
 
WildCat said:
The key word being "could". And the Constitution could be amended to allow it.
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Yes, it could. Is that the democrats' plan? To amend the Constitution so that illegal aliens can be President? And what other changes would they like? Allow illegal aliens to vote, too?
 
No, I imagine if ANYTHING comes of it, the ammendment would strike the "natural born" clause out, and replace it with naturalized.

Mountains out of molehills.
 
BeAChooser said:
Yes, it could. Is that the democrats' plan? To amend the Constitution so that illegal aliens can be President? And what other changes would they like? Allow illegal aliens to vote, too?
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Oh you know. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together. That sort of thing.
 
BeAChooser said:
Yes, it could. Is that the democrats' plan? To amend the Constitution so that illegal aliens can be President? And what other changes would they like? Allow illegal aliens to vote, too?
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None of this follows.

The article clearly spelled out what was on Durbin's mind: the DREAM Act, which would make the people in question legal and open the pathway to citizenship. The DREAM Act would not allow illegal aliens to vote. And in this context, a constitutional amendment allowing naturalized citizen to become POTUS would not require allowing illegals to become president.

You're trying to spin this into something it's not.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
The article clearly spelled out what was on Durbin's mind: the DREAM Act
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Oh, so you are claiming the author of that article can read Durbin's mind?

JoeTheJuggler said:
, which would make the people in question legal and open the pathway to citizenship.
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Yet they still couldn't become President unless the Constitution is changed. Right? And since Durbin specifically spoke of one of them becoming President, he's either an idiot (a distinct possibility considering what the rest of the democratic party's top leadership is like) or he was thinking that the Constitution would be changed (presumably by his party) to allow that. Right? Which then raises the question, what other changes to the Constitution do Durbin and the democratic party have in mind for us? Hmmmm? :D
 
Alareth said:
BAC, you deliberately try to misunderstand things don't you?
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What exactly have I misunderstood?

One possibility is that Durbin is an idiot and didn't realize that without changing the Constitution none of those illegals he asked to stand could become President.

The other possibility is that Durbin has some plan to make that possible.

In which case, he probably should say that so we all have no doubt about where he's coming from. So there's no possibility of him being misunderstood.

:D
 
Or, call me crazy, maybe he simply misspoke when going into rhetoric common to the American dream. There isn't anything necessarily idiotic nor nefarious about it. Maybe he's human.

There is no need to get all CT about it, B.
 
Upchurch said:
Or, call me crazy, maybe he simply misspoke when going into rhetoric common to the American dream. There isn't anything necessarily idiotic nor nefarious about it. Maybe he's human.

There is no need to get all CT about it, B.
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I agree, though I can't see that constitutional requirement ever being changed. There will never be enough support to do it, no matter how "good" any supposed candidate might appear. And in any case, we have too many native born a******s running for the office every cycle, anyway. Lets stick to native born jerks!:) Well maybe Ahnald....oh no never mind:cool:
 
BeAChooser said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYU4K201

As one of those who commented said, "Why isn't ICE removing everyone from that chamber back to where they came from?" Is the word "illegal" meaningless to democrats?
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Exactly. I can see the rationale behind allocating scarce resources to find dangerous illegals, but for crying out loud they're serving themselves up on a platinum platter. Just watch who gets up and talks about how great it would be if they could finally have status, and there's your probable cause to detain. Deport. Repeat.
 
BeAChooser said:
One possibility is that Durbin is an idiot and didn't realize that without changing the Constitution none of those illegals he asked to stand could become President.

The other possibility is that Durbin has some plan to make that possible.
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Upchurch said:
Or, call me crazy, maybe he simply misspoke when going into rhetoric common to the American dream. There isn't anything necessarily idiotic nor nefarious about it. Maybe he's human.

There is no need to get all CT about it, B.
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Ding Ding Ding!
Sen. Durbin said:
“When I look around this room, I see America's future, our doctors, our teachers, our nurses, our engineers, our scientists, our soldiers, our congressmen, our senators, and maybe our president,”...
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Though I'm sure the liberal apologists will be all over the blogosphere showing that there could be a change in the Constitution and "technically he's right".
 
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BazBear said:
I agree, though I can't see that constitutional requirement ever being changed. There will never be enough support to do it, no matter how "good" any supposed candidate might appear. And in any case, we have too many native born a******s running for the office every cycle, anyway. Lets stick to native born jerks!:) Well maybe Ahnald....oh no never mind:cool:
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I actually heard a few rightwing blathermeisters on Fox Boobs suggesting that such an ammendment might be a good idea back when the Gropenfuerher became Governor of California.
 
BeAChooser said:
This is what top democrats think of your Constitution
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I have to admit I'm a little confused here. As far as I can tell, the US constitution has been altered 27 times so far. At least 10 of those changes were made by the very same people who wrote it in the first place. And while I don't know the exact details, I suspect quite a few of those amendments were proposed and supported by Republicans.

So lets assume that this guy really is making a proposal that would require another amendment to the constitution. So what? It's been done many times before and no doubt will be done many more times. It would certainly be fair to debate the merits of such an amendment, but merely stating that an amendment would be required isn't really a criticism at all, and certainly not one specific to Democrats.
 
BeAChooser said:
What exactly have I misunderstood?

One possibility is that Durbin is an idiot and didn't realize that without changing the Constitution none of those illegals he asked to stand could become President.

The other possibility is that Durbin has some plan to make that possible.

In which case, he probably should say that so we all have no doubt about where he's coming from. So there's no possibility of him being misunderstood.

:D
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I was right with you until post #11.

Congressman Durbin said something stupid. Really stupid. Stupid enough that it is not inappropriate to start a thread on it. I cannot imagine that there is any country on Earth where a person can enter that country illegally and then rise to the highest elected office. Anyone with even a passing familiarity of U.S. politics knows that the type of Consitutional changes that would have to be made will never occur. It was a stupid thing for him to say.

But where do you come up with "The other possibility is that Durbin has some plan to make that possible"? That's just wacky.
 
BAC, I'm disappointed. There is soooo much to criticize pols on both sides of the aisle and you are looking under the bed just because Durbin got a bit carried away with the rhetoric. Really? You ok?
 
You'd think the free market would be better served by allowing countries to freely trade their "skilled presidential candidate" surpluses. Trust these bloody right-wingers to support "big government" trying to enforce rules on everyone about what they can and can't do with their own hard-earned votes.
 
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