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Dershowitz on 10 fundamentals

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This was an online discussion with Court TV:

daisypusher23 asks: Weren't the 10 commandments the first laws?

Alan Dershowitz: The 10 Commandments were not the first laws.
The code of Lipit-Ishtar, and many other codes precede the 10 Commandments.
even the book of Genesis has laws that precede the 10 Commandments.
Christians, of course, have ammended at least 4 of the 10 Commandments.
They do not observe the seventh day as the day of rest, but rather the first day as the day of Jesus's resurection.
Churches are filled with graven images of the heaven, for example the Sistine Chapel.
The adultery of the 10 commandments applies only to married women, not men.
Two of the commandments refer to slaves.
And one of the commandments punishes children for the sins of their fathers.
That's why no one wants to hang the 10 Commandments in schools or courtrooms.
Instead they want to hang the 10 bumper stickers.
If children were to read the 10 Commandments in full, they would raise difficult questions that most teachers would not be competent to answer.
Next time a reporter confronts GW Bush about his support for posting the 10 Commandments, they should ask him to recite them in full.
He probably has no idea what they contain, other than the headlines.


Bogie_53 asks: Where in the 10 commandments does it say this is for women only?
Alan Dershowitz: The 10 Commandments prohibits adultery, and the very next chapter defines adultery and explicity permits married men to have sex with unmarried women.
Thus implimenting God's punishment of Eve, which establishes the double standard.
 
Anybody with half a brain knows that morallity and law didn't come from Christianity and in fact predate it. Sadly not many people have half a brain.
 
Whoracle said:
Anybody with half a brain knows that morallity and law didn't come from Christianity and in fact predate it. Sadly not many people have half a brain.
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I have exactly half a brain, and I can confirm what you have said. ;)
 
CurtC said:
Two of the commandments refer to slaves? Which ones?
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http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=304502
KJV Exodus 20:17

[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
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[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
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When was the last time Alan Dershowitz argued a case, represented a client, or even stepped foot in a courtroom? I think bell-bottom suits and polyester ties were in fashion.

He can be interesting; it was jaw-dropping to hear his 180-view change on civil rights after 9-11, making a good case for the Patriot Act and similar laws. I just think one should practice an occupation now and then if he or she is to be considered an expert in their field.
 
Here's the version in Deuteronomy: http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=767630

[14] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
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21] Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
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Interesting. To be honest, it had never really occured to me the christians altered the ten commandments. Seems pretty obvious now, but then I dont really spend a lot of time thinking about the bible. I wonder what other parts of the Old testament were messed with? How much of the true meaning of the whole thing do we lose just by translation?
 
Charles Livingston said:
Interesting. To be honest, it had never really occured to me the christians altered the ten commandments. Seems pretty obvious now, but then I dont really spend a lot of time thinking about the bible. I wonder what other parts of the Old testament were messed with? How much of the true meaning of the whole thing do we lose just by translation?
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Most religions have to meddle with much of the documentation. Otherwise they would not be able to exist. Moderate religious Jews tolerate those who worship another god, as do Muslims and Xians. Those who do not compromise literal teachings with basic humanity are the cause of most of the religious troubles. The literal meanings of most religions, as they are constructed by fallible humans, contain many errors that have to be adapted over time.
 
American said:
When was the last time Alan Dershowitz argued a case, represented a client, or even stepped foot in a courtroom? I think bell-bottom suits and polyester ties were in fashion.

He can be interesting; it was jaw-dropping to hear his 180-view change on civil rights after 9-11, making a good case for the Patriot Act and similar laws. I just think one should practice an occupation now and then if he or she is to be considered an expert in their field.
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For a law professor, Dershowitz still takes on a fair number of clients (difficult appeals are his specialty). Last year he argued a high-profile murder appeal before the Nevada Supreme Court and, if I recall correctly, won his client a new trial. I think he also represented voters of West Palm Beach County, Florida, in the Bush/Gore election dispute.
 
ceo_esq said:
For a law professor, Dershowitz still takes on a fair number of clients (difficult appeals are his specialty). Last year he argued a high-profile murder appeal before the Nevada Supreme Court and, if I recall correctly, won his client a new trial. I think he also represented voters of West Palm Beach County, Florida, in the Bush/Gore election dispute.
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Oh. I stand corrected.


Harvard blows, either way. :p
 
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